Ton80 wrote:

No, I don't get any yellow exclamations with pack as is but I have to run the hyperion512 after windows is reinstalled and finished to get the current setup correct.

Yeah, but what does that mean, exactly?

I think, either it works or it does not work.
No yellow exclamation marks usually mean the driver's been installed properly and the device should hence work as expected...

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(74 replies, posted in Other)

Chrysalis wrote:

I wasnt sure wether or not to choose gui ron once or the 2nd option, I stuck to the gui run once which seems the best option as I see it extracted the drivers during the gui setup meaning they were detected on the detecting devices part very clever.

Actually, these two are totally unrelated wink

The extraction of the drivers during the so-called "fake setup" is what you enabled by chosing Method 2 over M1 (which does not require that step, btw).
The GUI Run Once or Run Once Exec is merely for the exceptions that are being applied when the Finisher runs (it tells you so by that little grey windo with black text).
These are only for installing control panels or other device-specific settings and do not have anything to do with the drivers themselves (they will get installed regardless).

If any quirks happen during a Win installation (or that of any OS basically), I can only recommend to reinstal that OS right away.
This is in no way restricted to an nlited or BASE'd installation CD but also to the original installation medium.
Windows installs are very sensitive towards RAM timings, voltage and OC'ing (the latter two also applying to the CPU) so you should revert back to BIOS defaults (maybe not even using the "performance" or "optimized" settings) for the installation - all changes can be undone once it has been successfully installed.

As you tested the DVD (and not the ISO) in VPC already, I think we can outrule a bad burn.

Also make sure to disable any "virus protection" in the BIOS, that will ususally prevent anything from writing (properly) to the MBR which could result in such strange behaviour.

And now it's back there twice again!
Argh, I'm starting to hate this board!
>8(

hmaster10 wrote:
jtdoom wrote:

SMART has to be enabled in the BIOS of the machine it is hooked up to.
This is worth looking into, for chances are it is turned off.

I have turned SMART on in the BIOS.

Helmi wrote:

How many test loops did you run with Fujitsu's tool?

The tool won't even recognize the HDD...

Dang, I misread your post...
Is there only this one Fujitsu tool present?
IDK that off the top of my head, but some manufacturers have several tools represented in UBCD (eg Samsung) and I already had to go through all of them until I had success.
Also check Fujitsu's website for a possibly updated version (though UBCD happens to be quite up-to-date).

This is either some controller issue (tool incompatible with it) or the thing is really broken, but electronically and not mechanically as they ususally are.
The real strange thing is that it turns up in the BIOS and in the third-party tool.

BTW, I didn't say that the HDD is fine after using the Seagate Tool, I just posted the result of which tool happens to detect the HDD. Even the Maxtor's Diagnostic Tool failed to detect any HDD connected.

I get you now.

Maybe try IMB/Hitachi's for a chance, I had some success in the past scanning non-IBM disks with it (for defective sectors at least).

Gnarf, tried to delete my apparent double-post, now bot hare gone, so here it is again for refrerence...

hmaster10 wrote:

Test:
HDD: Fujitshu 60GB PATA (Laptop HDD)

Using the Seagate HDD Diagnostic Tool resulted to a message "HDD FAILS pretest SMART check!!" Does it mean the HDD is broken?

Not necessarily.
Heed what the other two posters told you, though.

jtdoom wrote:

hi

SMART has to be enabled in the BIOS of the machine it is hooked up to.
This is worth looking into, for chances are it is turned off.

That and to really profit from it (while-run checks) you'd have to install some software on your OS that will monitor the HDD whenever it runs.

Using the Seagate HDD Diagnostic Tool resulted to a message "HDD have been overtemp - 100" Does it mean the HDD is very hot?

No.
With these tests, it is imparative you only use the manufacturer's tools and not those of a different one (which can suck if you man. only offers a very minimal or bad tool hmm I'm actually buying HDDs sort of based on how well the tools provided are...).
The problem is that SMART values are saved in hex code ranging from 0x00 to 0xFF, or 0 to 255 in decade numbers.
The temperature hence isn't give in a "real" value (say so and so many °C/°F) but rather this code.
In your case, it may just happen to be of the value of 100.
This does NOT translate to 100°C or 100°F (the latter being the more probable, though).
The tool has to look it up in a chart how much represents what temperature.
If it's not the manufacturer's tool, how will it know this? It doesn't.

Using Segate's tool to check a system with also an IBM inside the tool reported a temp. of 255°C for me once (SMART readout happens for all drives so I couldn't cancel that or such).
Hilarious but absolutely impossible considering the other drive's max temp was some 40°C and current at ~30°C...

Using the Seagate HDD Diagnostic Tool resulted to a pass test. Both Short (DST) & Long test.

The problem is, even with the manufacturer's tool, just because it passed doesn't necessarily mean it's ok.
However, should it not pass, it's almost 100% sure it has some defect.


How many test loops did you run with Fujitsu's tool?
I'd recommend at least 10, maybe even leave it on overnight.
Of course backup all data before running any such tests, more so on stress testing.
The point is to actually provoke some error message.
Most manufacturers will require you to provide such an error code before you can send the drive in (assuming you still have warranty left).
Even if not it's better to verify the drive will not break down on heavy use NOW rather than having it break down some months down the road when you do not expect it.
HDDs are comparatively cheap but a data loss is hard to pay!

lieblingsbesuch wrote:

Hi.

New DP_Chipset has no .ini in it. is this okay though?

No exceptions, no ini.
Simple as that wink

It's still ok to ask, you never know whether it might have been slipped somehow...

Ton80 wrote:

[...]so that the windows install would be correct in Device Manager without having to run the current Hyperion right after a windows reinstall

Err, pardon me but what do you mean by "being correct"?
If you are worried about having the latest drivers, if I understand Jaak correctly, there has nothing been updated in that regard.
Are there actually devices missing (yellow !) in your device manager or what exactly is the real problem?

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(19 replies, posted in DriverPack Sound)

mr_smartepants wrote:

Our other option is to pack up the entire "Disk1" folder from the Intel download with the " /s /SMS" switch like the ATI CCC package and call it with the ini that way.  That might actually be the safest option, but I don't have the hardware to test on.

Have you tried Universal Extractor (http://legroom.net/software/uniextract), yet?

Only for US residents, huh?

I'm wondering how this driver will behave regarding different channels allowed or forbidden by local law.
AFAIK, the US uses less channels than Europe (only up to 11 compared to 13).
In that case, we'd be better off using the non-US restricted driver for max. bandwidth throughput.

...unless of course your main priority is complying with US laws...

Probabaly a bad disc/burn.
Did you make sure to verify the CD after burning process?

Both Nero as well as ImgBurn offer such a functionality and I can only highly advise you to use it each and every time you burn a CD/DVD!, however, at least, if it is a critical medium such as a disc you want to install an OS from.

And also your system specs.
We'd like to know how much memory you sport actually.
Are you definately meeting 2k's/2k3's (which one is it? Happens on both?) requirements?

jtdoom wrote:

I asked Helmi to kill my topic.

And I would if I could but my Mod powers are useless in here!
:cries:

sad

863

(4 replies, posted in Hardware)

The mobo only does this if the model supports this functionality.
I wouldn't take this for granted in every case; especially cheaper models will either have this implemented improperly or lack it completely.

In any case, your fans will need at least three wires (some models have four) for this to work, otherwise, the current RPM cannot be reported to the mobo.
It may still control the speed, however, then you do not get any readout on the RPMs and hence cannot set a minimum or maximum value which means the mobo could either switch off a fan completely (bad idea in some cases) or make them spin too fast (could become quite noisy).

In my experience, it is best to use the BIOS for such setups and only rely on a software solution if not possible through the first.
Software readouts can be off quite a lot (esp. reporting CPU/GPU temp) and consequently use improper RPM "tweaks".


Another possibility is to use temp-controlled fans, that is fans which have their own temp sensor on-board and can adjust their RPMs by themselves.
These do not require the mobo to adjust the fan voltage or use PWM to throttle the RPMs - in fact it is not recommended to use them while the BIOS fan control is activated as it may work against each other (mobo throttling using PWM, fan trying to adjust by increasing the drawn power) with the result that the RPMs stay the same.
It could even cause damage to the mobo in rare cases, I guess (if the fan is pulling more power from the fan connector than allowed).

Settle for one method first, then buy the HW accordingly! smile

I just noticed that the link to HWID does not work any longer... hmm

As HWID is also a part of the BASE installation, that shouldn't be too much of the problem, however, I'm still wondering where the file moved to on our server...
Bâshrat the Sneaky, got any idea? wink

jtdoom wrote:

@ helmi or Muiz

the viamach.inf and agp inf were not updated so I guess this might need to be moved to the mass storage section.

Done.

Just a quick shot, did you disable the requirement of signed drivers or not?
I'm not sure how setup will behave if still left enabled and you try to install an unsigned one because, naturally, all drivers shipping on the XPCD are signed so this is unforseen behaviour...

Personally, I always disable it.
Either the latest driver I need is signed, then that's fine.
But if it is not, what other choice do I have?

Most companies seem to be too lazy or broke to get their drivers signed so disabling the check saves you some troubles.
OTOH, I have also seen machines go BSOD with all-signed drivers so it doesn't really help making your system more stable at all hmm

867

(19 replies, posted in DriverPack Sound)

mr_smartepants wrote:

I'm making progress though. But I think we're going to have to restrict the DP to only using one control panel and one front audio option for now.

Either that, or introduce another user choice in the BASE à la ATi CP/CCC.
I'm not sure whether you could use both Intel and Sigmatel CP at the same time (unlike the CP/CCC situation).
So far, I have always installed the Intel one on appropriate mobos since the board itself was from Intel so why not use their CP, right? wink

As for the front panel, I'm not even sure how to differeciate between the two...
Isn't that just a break-out box for the connector found on the mobo anyway?
So, one would assume if the on-board SC was HDA, so would be the FP somehow...

Intel should certainly have some sort of guide on how to tell, I for one definately cannot by the outward looks of it.

mr_smartepants wrote:

Personally, I feel that only webcams that are built into systems (ie. notebooks or monitors with embedded cameras) should be supported since external webcams can always be installed later by downloading the appropriate drivers.
That's just my opinion though. smile

That's why it is a 3rd party DP anyway wink

As for the notebook cams, that could/should be included in DPCS, as we already included built-in card-readers, smartcard support and acceleration sensors for HDDs, if I'm not mistaken.
Basically anything that is not a peripheral (as in external) and closely connected to mobo functionality goes into DPCS.

mr_smartepants wrote:
hmaster10 wrote:

The external is a laptop type HDD. Is it possible to connect it to a Desktop PC?

You'd need a special adapter for that.  You should connect it to an actual notebook for testing.

Yes, you do need that adapter, but it isn't that "special" (it's a normed one, nothing proprietary or anything).
The protocols are the same for an ATA drive so the adapter only converts the electrical signals and does not include a logical unit.
As for SATA, I may be wrong, but I believe desktop and notebook systems (ie 3.5" and 2.5" drives) actually use the same connector because that one is already pretty slim as opposed to the "big ass" IDE connector.

In any case, when working a lot woth notebooks, having such an apadter ready is pretty convenient, IMO.
It doesn't cost much either, so it's not wasted money wink

As to the second point, of course it does not or rather should not matter on which system you do the testing.
As long as direct HW access is granted (which the USB or whatever bridge chip of the external case will prevent), those low-level scans will work.

While recommended to use a standard IDE controller, most scan tools nowadays support various RAID or SATA controllers, too (just like the DPMS wink), so you can even use one of these.
Also, it should not matter, but it's better to do this is hooking up the drive as a sole device on the IDE channel (so as a master without a slave).
With SATA, this limitation is obviously void.

Good luck in testing and here's hoping it will turn out well for you!
smile

...and you've already been added to the team, I see smile

Anyway, yeah, it's possible he disabled the address for the "common people" as not to get spammed with questions and the like (I know how that feels like...).
Too bad there isn't a PM system on this board, though.

hmaster10 wrote:

1) Is the HDD near its end?

Quite possible.
Urgent suggestion:
* Do not use the HDD for the time being!
* Backup all important data if you have not already (obviously, you will have to use the HDD for this...).
* Download http://ultimatebootcd.com/download.html
* Burn ISO to CD
* Remove the HDD from its case (since it's obviously an external one), connect it to an internat port (ATA/SATA)
* Boot from the new CD and select HDD scan utils.
* Scan (extensively) the HDD using the manufacturer's tool (it's important not to use the tool of a different manuf.)

2) Is the external HDD casing's chip causing the problem?

While plausible, if this is the case, it is likely the chip in question is running too hot, which would also mean the case itself is improperly cooled, which in turn could mean the HDD itself is (also) damaged.

If the above scan does not turn up anything, then it could indeed be the bridge chip of the case.

His email should be under his profile (seach for a post of him to find it or use the member list).

That or just hope for him to spot your post and add you to the appropriate team wink

873

(3 replies, posted in Feature Requests)

Yeah, do as Jaak said.
This is drivers-only, for any add-ons packs, either use nLite along with an add-on maker or some pre-assembled pack.

While .NET certainly is a requirement for ATi's CCC to work, the size of it would exceed the DriverPack Graphics A, which looks a bit rediculous, IMO.
Also, the version of DX9 that comes with XP may not be up-to-date anymore, but I think all drivers still work with it (whether or not a specific programme works is a different question, but that is none of our buisness so to speak).
Again, it is pretty huge in size, plus there are numerous already existing DX add-on packs available.


EDIT:
Nice auto-double posts going on here.
If I delete one, both are gone, if I repost, both re-appear.
Oh well...
*sigh*

BigBrit wrote:

I am amazed that Microsoft does not allow USB Flash Drives etc. to be used.

May I introduce you to MS Vista, it all works here (you can even chose a standard IDE controller-connected HDD that you may also have in the case) wink

Still, I'm also puzzling why floppies where the only option upon XP's release when they were already outdated back then...

So, where is it?

Posting a link to the pack is considered common courtosity wink