5,101

(28 replies, posted in News)

It sounded that way to me too... but just so everyone knows, we were having fun with it...

the last time that HWID came up this was the driver that worked http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content … 06203a.exe

Link updated. sorry! cdob has it in his post below as well....

thanks cdob!

5,103

(28 replies, posted in News)

So Muiz got some freinds to vote
we knew it was happening
and had every opportunity to "Rally the Troups" 

It's all good fun!

5,104

(12 replies, posted in Feedback and Support - DriverPacks Base)

method 2 has better compression and takes less space it also allows the driverpack to work completely

Method one will only use the first 4096 characters of the search path
method 2 will allow a full search path (currently in the 6000 to 7000 character range) of the driver packs

if you slipstream the driverpacks most likely your f6 driver will fail its a known MS bug related to the oempreinstall=yes in winnt.sif

a setting which is necessary for driverpacks

it is difficult to find drivers for toshiba laptops the ones made for vista, with no xp support - i did one myself last week its tough.

get your actual hwids and post them you can also use them to find drivers.  thats how i did it.

HWID's.exe

is a program to get your true hwids.

5,107

(7 replies, posted in DriverPack Mass Storage)

Jaak Is working hard on mass. keep an eye out for for the next mass pack. and I will make sure he chimes in here

I'm sure it is "doable" but it would require a system that has not been developed yet.

if you find a system that we dont have a driver included for just as we will gladly add more drivers.

try resetting your bios ESCD table and freeing up some recources
Turn off sound on mb (free interupts) setting parrallel port to not use a DMA channel ect...

there are not as many resources to go around in text mode as there are when NT is running in apic

i would like to chime in here with Jaak... the log file shows a previous base install was run on your source.
one of teh things base does is back out any changes from a previous slipstream.

IE it overwrites winnt.sif with winnt.org (original) before starting the new slipstream.

as jaak suggested create a "fresh" source and check back.

It also occours to me you could edit winnt.org and see where that takes you.

motaz i have seen a few issues of late that went away when QSC was turned on
can you test the install with qsc on?

No sir, thank you!

clarifiying for helmi

Jig you stated:  all english, one updated, one not.

copy your entire OEM install CD (the one you currently install from) to your HDD (say C:\DP-temp\)
copy your entire updated OEM install CD (the one you currently install from) to your HDD (say C:\DP-temp-U\)

Run the DP_Base program in 'disk' mode with all packs selected, TextMode enabled, KTD disabled, QSC enabled, Method 2. pointing to C:\DP-temp\ as the 'location'. The same for C:\DP-temp-U\.


Then burn a bootable ISO useing the contents of C:\DP-temp\ and one for C:\DP-temp-U\ (easy).

This will not break any existing processes of your original CD -
It simply extends the driver library available to windows setup.
the KEY here is the drivers are available DURING the installation setup (the initial PnP discovery).
and it fits nicely on a 700 meg CD (and since you have no network connections you could skip wireless LAN and free more space.

Here is a GREAT source of reference in case you have not been there you
Will find a great many of your freinds from DriverPacks are in thier forum as well.
http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/

also: a DriverPacks Tutorial http://users.pandora.be/jtdoom/basetute/Eng_tut6b.htm

if the drivers in chipset and mass dont agree it may land you here.

Try mass AND chipset only. maybe the last instead of the latest version of chipset if needed to get going.

5,115

(31 replies, posted in Feedback and Support - DriverPacks Base)

did you grab all the updates from the MS site or are you just useing nlite to slip the Ryan stuff?

Looks like you have created a ThirdParty DriverPack for it. and dont have the folder structure referenced in the ini.
It is probably looking for the layout of the original driver path that it was originaly installed from.

Try createing your 3rd party DriverPack from an original manufacurers driver or from the chipset reference driver.

NO it is preferable to have one CD that can be used in any system (OEM CD with only driverpacks added in your case)
furthermore some drivers require patches and we check for such things when we slipstream so you don't get hosed.
like the HDA update.
EVEN IF you have to create one per language.

an additional pickup here is not needing a "F6" floppy for the install.

Please check out RIS and DFS if you are worried about dated installs. on this forum there is a good thread on sysprep that gets into part of RIS. I cant remember the last time I visited a Server/client system to reinstall it i do that remotely from home. Helmi's WSUS Idea is outstanding! you can release only the updates you wish to all clients. (you set all the machines to use your server instead of MS Updates - great for no internet environments)

if you used driverpacks today you wouldn't have to update again until current hardware becomes obsolete
IE you will still be able to buy a similar system to the one you buy now, one year from now.
(so now were talking about a 15 minute update per language once a year[or mabey even just one!]).

What you want is kind of like hitting the brakes after the accident. opening your chute - after impact!
or
rather than create a big mess, and then have to clean it up, lets just not make a mess?

I would also like to point out ALL of us have said "These instructions assume you have started with a DriverPacks slipstreamed source." which you seem to indicate you haven't. This invalidates all our suggestions and probably will not give the expected results except for my 'two step' Drivers Only CD above.

The feedback of admins with many systems to maintain and years of work from several excellent people have culminated in this process and much goes on behind the scenes to avoid thousands of known issues. It works like a charm right out of the box sir!... I currently use this for dozens of companies some with 50 or more locations.

Try It! ... You'll Like it!  (and you will never look back)

@ Helmi - Thanks for the assist i have trouble wording things eloquently.

Helmi wrote:

Well, if this helps you any, you will not have to create a brand-new source each time.
If you slipstream the DriverPacks into an already existing source (in which you already integrated the DriverPacks), it will detect them, restore any previous changes and reapply from start.

As well as new.

While it is generally not recommended to reuse a source, I don't see a problem with it in this case and as long as you aren't trouble-shooting you should be fine.
As you cannot and will not be touching it (again) with nLite, this is also one issue less to worry about.

And, frankly, just slipstreaming the drivers and creating a new ISO is about 10min work on a modern system.
Add some 5min burning with a common burner and those 15min of work each quarter doesn't look too bad, now does it?

I agree if the only change you make to the OS install CD is the drivers themselfs haveing an old copy running around won't hurt. Worst case is they wish to install on a brand new system and need the latest disk. assumably if this system is new the config guy can get a latest version. Plus, if you shop wisely then the hardware will not change that quickly.

nope it doesn't

I make a new DVD everytime Ryan VM comes out with a new update (say monthly)
so seemingly your method is not valid because not only do the drivers get updated quite frequently but so do the MS patches. So these install disks, do in fact, have a very short life.

I would make your new install disks as needed. Then you can slipstream all the latest microsoft patches for windows and office, and have all the latest drivers too. It costs ten cents to burn a disk and takes about 20 minutes. why take a process that is in place and working in a world class fashion and try and break it?

With your method it would be neccesary to watch the machine and manualy switch CD's.
The way the rest of us do it this becomes a totaly unattended process, and isn't that the goal?

Very good Jig - now you 'get it'

1. As far as i know there is no "unknown device remover"
(for devices found and then added to device manager with no driver)
2. Nor do I know of anyway of starting "search for new hardware wizard" from a Batch.
(for after they are removed)
Im sure the first one could be coded... but using a program to automaticaly regedit is risky
the second one i'm sure is easy.

question? if you install with driverpacks then this is not an issue. if these are preexisting systems then the OEM should have provided those. so how is it that you have a machine with so many unknown devices? (what in the world are you doing - and why are you doing it the hard way)

to answer your question NO this cannot be done with existing tools.
On the other hand no one has ever asked and i cant think of any valid reason to do it.

I would like to point out here that IF you were to use a variation of Jaaks idea (Jeff-modded) 

1.
- do.cmd - run this command before removing drivers

SET TAGFILE=\OEM\BIN\un7zip.exe
FOR %%i IN (C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y) DO IF EXIST "%%i:%TAGFILE%" SET CDDRIVE=%%i:

rem copy %CDDRIVE%\$OEM$\$1 %SystemDrive%
%SystemDrive%\makePNF.exe "%CDDRIVE%\$OEM$\$1\D"
%SystemDrive%\DevPath.exe  "%CDDRIVE%\$OEM$\$1\D"

2. remove all the devices without drivers from device manager
(and the ONLY way i would remove devices IS manually)

3. Reg Key - for running finisher on next reboot.

REG ADD HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnceEx\999 /V 1 /D "%SystemDrive%\DPsFnshr.exe"

4. reboot 
  note - A reboot may not be required but I think it's a good idea. i have not tested this but i belive it will find the new hardware assign drivers and then "finish" them



@Tiger Read Post 16 Again
The question you asked is answered there...
Please take the time to read through the forum before asking
And try working with the base as intended for a while Tutorial!
After you are at least a little familiar with the way it normaly works,
then if you wish to experiment...

I think you need to get more familiar with what is going on...

5,122

(33 replies, posted in Other)

you could submit it as a bug, then id have to fix it LOL...

I think that is a slam dunk to code ill add it the next release... um... how well has the fix been tested

make sure it works and don't let me forget.

in order to create a drivers only disk

1. create a method 1 install and burn the $oem$ folder to a cd
2. You're Done.... its that simple. that cd IS a "drivers only disc"

that discusion has gotten way off topic ----  " [HOWTO] create a drivers-only disc "  (see above)

They are actually discussing trying to add KTD (Keep The Driver) functionality to an existing system.
Only a bench technician would find this useful - and a bench tech would have an extra drive laying around he could install with KTD enabled from the start. So very few people would need or want this if any at all. A drivers only disk (CD) and a KTD installation upgrade are not the same thing at all... not even close. so I am not suprized that you are confused.

many here have gotten the idea that the finisher magicaly will make unknown devices dissappear, and it wont.

an example of what the finisher does would be like the nvidia control panel shorcut and the taskbar icon.
that kind of stuff. the nvidia driver would be installed when you updated the device driver from device manager and told it to search your CD with the $OEM$ folder on it but non of the features would be available. (no control panel shortcut) [These types of things are normaly run from a hardware manufacurers driver installation program.] if you run the finisher it would see that you have the nvidia card installed and would associate the devices HWID with the exception that installs the stuff that is not part of the actual driver (the control panel icon and taskbar shortcut). Most of the drivers in the packs dont even have a single exception to be applied. As the name implies these are 'exceptions' both nvidia and ati are good examples of ones that do have exceptions. 

perhaps a simple way of putting this is "Many of the drivers in the packs don't even require the Finisher".

lets discuss why this could be a very bad thing. Suppose you installed without KTD and a Nvidia card and got the CPL icon and the Taskbar thing going on and switched to a ATI card then did the KTD upgrade with finisher now you would have the ati cpl and the nvidia cpl and both taskbar icons. if it doesn't crash. i belive you shouldn't run the finisher more than once per install -if you need to run the finisher again you probaly need to install again. lets say i were to upgrade a device or even two on a machine. If it were me i would just install the latest driver off the net rather than to fool with forceing the finisher to run on the entire driverpacks.


I have tried to explain this several times now without boring everyone to tears.

no it will never support the command line, it does exactly what it was written for - (which isn't what you think it does)
Im definately not going to code unneccessary garbage into it.
I am sure Bâshrat the Sneaky won't either. we cant eve get people to read simple instructions in the ini files ;P

5,124

(33 replies, posted in Other)

what is your reference to setupold about jaak?

Jig wrote:

Hmm I got it working, got a comment for the creator: make it more command-line friendly. Add a switch that disables all error dialogs and turns them into command-line stuff. And somehow it doesn't work for me. Manually letting Windows scan the driverpacks folder for drivers does work, running the finisher doesn't do a thing.

The Finisher is not for installing drivers - that is not its function.
It puts the Finishing touches on Drivers only if installed from the DriverPacks and discovered by windows setup or if a driver were added through hardware upgrade wizard and discovered in the packs prior to running the finisher. it is for tweaking certain drivers (exceptions) and interacting with the final cleanup stages of a driverpacks slipstreamed install.  Since the finisher is wrriten to be pared with the driverpacks and was never intended to be run as a standalone i wouldnt expect any command line function, at all... ever.

it seems to me both of your thread are related to adding drivers to an existing system. i would liek to point out all of the things we are discussing expect that you are useing a system that was installed with the driverpacks slipstreamed already into the OS install but wtithout the KTD function enabled when the install was done.

on reading both of your posts i thought you wanted a drivers CD?   

"read my other topic about creating a seperate driver cd."

if you simply put the the extracted drivers on a cd then you could pop it in when you added a new device and it would find it on the cd from the "add new hardware wizard" and simply add teh one you need instead of all the drivers.

All the drivers can be good if you are running a test station and change the hardware daily otherwise is a waste of space. 

you seem to have asked for one thing and are seeming to want something else?

the best way to do KTD is to create your install disk that way and install your OS with that feature enabled.