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Grabbing it since this morning.  Download is slow.  VM here we come!

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Couldn't even get it to install on VirtualBox, but worked in VMWare.
First 15 minutes impression was somewhat mixed, probably due to the host being too slow for smooth Metro animations.
But, what is thatm the Start button is a mere fake on Desktop now!
Whaaaaa...!

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the most interesting features for us will involve driver support.  What can be said about the default installed drivers; does anyone have native USB3 support, for instance?
I hear that you can enable the start button; yet you lose Explorer 'Ribbon'.

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Well, from what I've read, the trick to disable Metro (which serves no real purpose on a non-touch display - I figure, there will be an option to enable/disable it in setup in the final version or some auto-detect of touch/tablet HW as Win7 already does) yet retain ribbon functionality in Explorer (which I kind of welcome, I really liked the switch from Menu to Ribbon in Office and some uniformity among apps is a good thing!), you got to do the following:

Rename (or delete I guess) shsxs.dll in %systemroot%\System32.
Reboot --> Metro gone, ribbons stay.

I assume you'll also get the Start Menu back that way...

If you want to disable ribbons and Metro, do the following:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
"RPEnabled"=dword:00000000

HTH!

EDIT:
More info here and here!

Last edited by Helmi (2011-09-16 20:09:04)

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This was also used on a previous nV graphics driver; perhaps this could lead to an updated Win8 driver.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=210184

One would find such an updated driver on Microsoft Update as referenced here:  http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=351290
efforting...  Nope, Windows Update Catalog has not been helpful.  One would likely need to install win8 to access updated Windows 8 drivers.

Welcome to the new nightmare!

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Here's hoping that this helps:  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011 … nment.aspx

There is now a forum available from MS:  http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums … al/threads

When Win8 goes RTM, SecureBoot may prevent execution/installation of Linux, running AntiVirus Rescue CD's, bootloaders for Virtual Machines, updating Option ROM's manually, etc.  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011 … -uefi.aspx

Excerpts from the aforementioned site's comments section:

I wonder what potential trouble that could cause when Win8-SP1 is eventually released.

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Win8 works fine on my VB install.  It must be a problem with your settings.  Helmi's right.  The newer version does help though.

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As long as Secure Boot is an optinal feature that can be enabled and disabled in the BIOS... err, UEFI, I don't see any problem with it.
Of course, you'd then have to decide whether to use SB or Linux, but at least you have the choice.
What's up with the TMP chips found on some MBs already?
I guess they aren't supported by Linux, either, yet, it doesn't cause any problems if you have one.

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OK. I've notice strange and unexplained activity on my install of the W8 Dev Preview x64 edition. And I trust y'all to help me get to the bottom of it.

I have noticed, on multiple occasions in the past three weeks of testing, unexplained CPU activity (5-7%) when the system SHOULD be idle, as well as excessive network activity on the order of 1.9Mb/sec uploads and 1.76Mb/sec downloads. Not abnormal, BUT I'M NOT DOWNLOADING ANYTHING.

LSASS.EXE is now consuming over 1,270,000KB of memory! That's 1.27GB, and it's been rising the whole time I've been monitoring it this evening.

RAM use for lsass.exe now stands at 1,295,000KB. All I can say is WOW! What the heck is doing this??

Other processes that are seeing activity are System and Svshost.

I really LIKE Win8 DevPre, as it seems more stable than W7SP1x64 (was getting F4 BSODs during idle times, like overnight). I ran W8DevPre for over fifteen days with no BSODs, then had to switch back to W7SP1x64 (because for the life of me I could not network the W8 box to a W7 system on the same LAN. Would never accept my user ID and password for the other system, and I tried it both ways, multiple times...) and I got the BSOD F4 withing 24 hours. Go figure.

LSASS.EXE now at 1,354,000KB and still rising, LAN activity staying the same.

OK, I'll bite. WTF, man??

Can anyone shed any insight? Is this Windows Update in disguise? Is this telemetry at work?

I would heartily appreciate your feedback, as I certainly respect your technical experience and skillsets.

Thanks for any time you can provide.

Best wishes from Atlanta, GA. USA.

MARK STRELECKI

P.S. - lsass.exe RAM at 1,390,000KB and STILL going up.
P.P.S. - Last time I looked, it was at 1,779,000KB and rising...

Last edited by markstrelecki (2011-10-14 13:38:59)

have the new VB and have now installed it on my x64 gaming system too... neither machine will run win8. but at least the x64 version / machine gets o the desktop before crashing.

i have always used VMW so the VB settings are stock / recomended (default win8 settings).

Not really happy with it so far (yes the hashes match on my downloads)

Secure Boot... what a bunch of crap...

Anybody remember the DMRM the they put in vista when it first came out... and then they removed it with SP1?

one step forward two steps back... 
just keep banging your head against the wall MS perhaps you will sever your frontal lobe altogether.

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Another problem may be encountered with the default bootloader in UEFI. http://www.h-online.com/open/features/K … 81549.html

According to this site http://www.h-online.com/open/features/S … 83726.html  SecureBoot will only be available on x64 versions of Win8, as only 64 bit operating systems since Vista support installation on UEFI systems.
Adding support to UEFI may be a "Compatibility Service Module" away (required to install 32bit OS')  Could price performance & profit motivations help explain Samsung's quick reply enabling 32bit Win8 to load on their tablet?  Simply necessity.

This has me wondering what MS considers to be a "Class 1" system.

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It is my hope that common sense will become more common & thereby rule the day.

Here's some pseudo-random notes:

By the by, did i say that Win7 is not UEFI boot-able?  My mistake.  http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherbo … st15162748

"Asus launches USB 3.0 speed booster, UASP support for ASMedia" --> http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-launch … 13732.html
There's an app for that, somewhere.
http://event.asus.com/mb/2010/The_Best_ … USB3.0.htm
USB Attached SCSI Protocol is expected to be added in Win8.

Release Notes for the DeveloperPreview:  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/hh440438

Windows Developer Preview: General OS questions  http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums … iewgeneral

On upgrading to Win8 from Win7 (when possible), export your DRM-protected content first, or it may no longer be accessible.

WDDM Display Model v1.2 appears near finalized:  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library … e/br259098
  DirectX11.1 on NT6.2 here we come!

Windows Developer Hardware: http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowshardware

Qualcomm, nV, & TI have further detailed their upcoming Win8 ARM SoC's recently.  Qualcomm's SnapdragonS4 spec has support for Quad-A9's on 28nm.  "The DirectX 9.3 API included in Windows 8" and additional support for FM radio! http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news … pdragon-S4
nV's has outed their Tegra3 5-core battery-warmer-when-it-needs-to-be SoC's based on 4 x A9's with a management core on the same die. http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news … bile-chip-
TI's OMAP5 seems the most ambitious with Dual-A15's & Dual Cortex-M4's on 28nm. http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news … -TI-s-OMAP

  Correct me if i'm wrong, yet the OMAP5430 appears to have the most balls, so far, eh?

From the Google-translated http://translate.google.com/translate?l … eview.aspx

I noticed on the "Sponsors" page from the BUILD conference, AMI is "in like flynn" & AT&T, like a dirty-shirt.  http://www.buildwindows.com/Sponsors
It is unclear to me what the exact implication is for UEFI implementations from competitors to AMI.

IMHO, the "killer app" with Windows8 would be "Kinect Support" for the User Interface for Desktops.  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/chuckw/archive/ … -beta.aspx
This would solute well with the TI OMAP5 design, for mobile, what with what is reminiscent of Kinect sans-Sensors built-in.

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