[REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms (Page 3 of 5)

Everyone I know who was running XP-64 jumped ship to Vista as soon as it was available (out of sheer frustration). 
I'm with JakeLD, as soon as Win7 is final, I'm onboard!  Vista is history.  XP-32 is still my recommended OS for older hardware though, and I still run it on my two notebooks.

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I to tried XP/64 and removed it within 2 days. Then tried Vista 64 and had a lot of problems with my scanner and NEC 1800 laser printer, Netgear SC100 NAS, removed within a week. Now running Win 7 64 in a removable drive bay and am almost at the point of adopting it for my primary OS, very stable even in Beta form. IE8 seems to have some problems, but as I use Firefox all the time it's not a problem.

Most of the Vista drivers seem to run without problem as Microsoft promised.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Stu

Nah, they cannot come out with two ME successors one after another so they got to make at least one proper after Vista, LOL

Really, if you are considering 64bit (just as me), then 7 is probably the OS to chose.
XP64 was mere a technical demo (plus, it didn't even get translated and the MUI isn't perfect at all) and Vista 64 is, well, Vista

As soon as the new PC parts ship in, I'm going to give 7 64bit a try (CPU limited ATM...).

If you want to stay with 32bit, then XP is probably fine for you, true.

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I should point out that until Vista came out, I was a Micro$oft apologist.

Once the RC came out, I was so disgusted by it, that I promised myself that if it was released with all the problems it had, I would make XP the last version I ever touched. Well, it was released pretty well as it was, and true to promise, I refuse to touch Vista, even for clients. I tell them that they will need to find someone else to handle their problems; that I have a minimum level of quality that I deal with, and that Vista is well beneath that level.

As such, since many new computers have 64-bit processors, and have the ability to accept more than 4Gb of memory (many now even come standard with 4 or 6Gb), I use XP 64-bit almost exclusively.

And yes, that includes client computers.

I now have close to 200 clients with XP 64-bit, and virtually 100% of them love it. The only ones who have ever complained were the ones moving up from Windows 98, mainly because their old 16-bit apps no longer work. Yes, I still do get those kinds of people once in a while.

So please, please provide an XP 64-bit pack or expand the 2000/XP/2003 pack to include as many 64-bit drivers as possible.

XP 64-bit might be “dead�  according to Micro$oft, but there are many people (like me) and many businesses (like mine) who will continue to recommend and install XP 64-bit right up until it is no longer supported (as in, no more patches and updates).

And since Windows 7 appears to be much the same sh*t as Vista (with only minor improvements to performance, and almost NO improvements to the FUGLY and HORRIBLY DESIGNED user interface), it seems that I will be recommending XP 64-bit for a very long time to come.

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I for one refuse to even touch an XP-64 machine (I've built a few in my time) and I always recommend to my clients to upgrade to Vista x64 as quickly as possible.  Now with Win7 only months away from release, I'm telling them to hold off until then.  Win7 is AWESOME!  I've been running the latest 7048 build on my 4-yr old Gateway notebook and it's flawless!  Much faster than XP or Vista.

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I second the Win7 vote
I'm running a 64bit version on a test machine
I have just been abusing it... It's solid
All vista drivers i installed worked fine. As advertized
I installed apps and games dual booted it with the OEM Vista - repartitioned with the Vista disk manager.
It's fast and its stable and it has a more tolerable footprint in RAM.
We will have to see where they go with it but.. since the beta is strong we have high hopes
I'd like to see tehm make it even leaner

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Thanks for the info.

Looks as if 64 bit is finally becoming a mainstream standard, it seems to run a little faster than 32 bit.

As for a leaner version, cast your minds back to the beta versions of Vista, they ran FASTER than the shipping version.

Win 7 already installed on my test rig (wooden base, can change parts really quick) in 32 and 64 bit versions so I am ready to test.

Stu

Meow, your just going to have to accept at some point that XP is going away, like 2000, 98, 95, 3.1 before it. Windows 7 will be the cats meow, pun intended. It's Vista, but better. Vista is to W7 like ME was to XP.

Yes, Driverpacks currently supports XP. But now driverpacks are starting to support Vista too, eventually Windows7. I don't see the justification of adding 64bit for a smaller base of users than the those using OSX.

I digress, I think that more people would use XP 64bit if the drivers/software was more readily available. I just don't see us having the unpaid, voluntary, manpower to accomplish the task of also doing a set of 64bit drivers.

Stop getting all pissy about it and DO something about it Meow. I can google search a whole bunch of XP 64bit websites too! So why don't you start working on drivers for mass storage 64bit. Because as of right now all you sound like is a troll.

Last edited by stamandster (2009-03-13 00:34:43)

You've certainly got your skirt in a bunch huh? Talk about a grammar Nazi, geez. I can cherry pick your incorrect grammar and sentencing structure as well. You're just arguing and it's not helpful.

Though, I'm fairly positive that my 10 years of professional/business computing experience (and many more non-professional years), and continued experience, gives me warrant to make substantiated claims about certain things regarding the operating systems we have used, currently use and will acquire.

The point I was making was and is from a business stand point, and perhaps, therein lies the problem. Microsoft will be end life cycle on Windows XP, at least 32bit, soon. We don't use or support 64 bit in our environments and I have not seen a need to deploy it. Perhaps I was too general in saying 'XP was going away'. A mute point, but I never said that XP 64bit was itself going away soon. But when one goes the other is usually short to follow.

We can also all just keep plugging along on Windows 2000 or 98, too! And why not? If you don't see a need to upgrade then don't. But the world around you will. And as unfortunate as that is, that's the way it is.

To quote, "There is no need to upgrade AT ALL. XP x64 will be running JUST FINE for years on end, and I see no reason to stop using it if it's THE BEST O.S. on the market right now." Seriously, really, honestly, more and more software will come out that will abandon support for OS's past. Years to come you will have a piece of software you will want or have to use that will need some newer OS. It's quite obvious to me that you fit into one of these roles: you haven't been in the IT business at all or a very short time or your a regular consumer or kid trying to make a 'point' or some computer science major who thinks he knows how the world works.

By the way, I never claimed to hate XP 32 or 64 bit. In fact I love XP in all forms. Nor do I feel it particularly necessary to upgrade to Windows 7 or Vista. But, Windows 7 is hardly untested and bloated. And it will/should be out by end of year. Microsoft cannot afford to make the same mistake twice. The MS behemoth will die and people will continue to use XP 64bit "for years on end", "bloated" Vista and never upgrade, forever.

Honestly, you still sound like a troll, arguing over silly things that'll obviously get the goat of many here. Still, what are you going to to about helping with getting 64bit drivers for XP? Donate all your time and money? And this was one of the other points I was making. The majority of users are with 32bit XP right now and we only have so much voluntary, unpaid staff. So instead of fighting over it, help.

And stop making up fake statistics it's really "dumb".

Children, children, XP 64 is a great program even though very few people use it and drivers are scarce.
The vast majority of users are 32 bit based because of the driver issue. I tried XP 64 and had to drop it because of driver issues.
Many components (re: printer, scanner etc.) drivers are not supported in a true 64 bit version, Vista and Win 7 are.

Windows 7 32/64 bit versions have had the multicore scheduler re-written and optimized, it will work better than XP 32/64 with multicore CPU's, this was also partially true with Vista.
The memory management in Win 7 64 bit is better than XP 64. Microsoft has been through a learning process over the last few years (Vista being the exception).
Win 7 now only loads components that are required for the OS to operate with other DLL's etc. loading when requested, drivers load in parallel, something XP 64 does not do.

Win 7 32/64 will have far more drivers within 6 months than XP 64 will ever have.

I realize you have your views as well as others on this Forum and I/we respect them. I agree that XP 32/64 will remain for many years to come as will Windows 2000 and 98SE.
Still have clients running Windows 3.11. Some claim that is the best OS, others claim 98SE is the best thing since sliced bread, all personal viewpoints.

Many people on the Forum who have testing knowledge of Win 7 believe it has the basis of a great OS possibly as great as XP.

Go in peace children and fight no more.

Enjoy your weekend.

Stu

Wow, you certainly are keen on whether its call a "program" or an "OS"

XP 64 is an OS, OK.

If you wish to write your own DriverPacks for XP 64 (OS) then please do so, I and others would be glad to help you test in their spare time.

You are not going to change the minds of the people on this Forum who consider XP 64 as being to small a usage level as far as we are concerned to spend a great deal of time for a handful of users.

With the download level this Forum has for 32 bit, it only makes sense to spend the majority of our time working on that.
This may change with Win 7 ???

I agree, there are drivers for video, sound etc., but a lot of other drivers are not true 64 bit but work with 64 bit.
If you working with Server 2003 64 then I would say there are drivers for everything inside the box.

Glad to be of help.

Stu