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Topic: Will unattended survive the next decade?

given ongoing production of newer windows releases by the microsoft crew, i've been left wondering how long will driver programmers continue to support the xp platform. i've been militating for some time telling people xp may already be meeting their needs, plus i like the idea of an universal os installable to all existing machines (of the decade). but the day driver programmers will decide to end support for xp, this idea will fall to the water, and will stay there, forever.

what do you think? please cite your sources, etc.

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

sounds like someone is trolling for data for a school paper

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

LOL.
I think XP support will die the day M$ switches off their activation servers. big_smile
I mean seriously, how long can they employ their trained monkeys who answer the activation phones?
Then the only versions to install properly will be OEM SLP preactivation or VLK.

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

Sheesh, we should be so lucky to have trained monkeys on the other end of the line, the way it is now all you get is a laptop hooked up in India somewhere, with an automated system on it....  big_smile

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

They will probably stop when windows updates no longer supports XP i think i saw that date posted somehwere... i don't remember where... my memory was it was still quite a few years off...

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

twipley wrote:

what do you think? please cite your sources, etc.

Sources for my thoughts?

Well, my brain, mostly, unless I'm pulling something outta my ass...

tongue big_smile

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

I remember reading somewhere that Microsoft will stop selling Windows XP in 2010 or something like that.

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

i think the updates was 2015 but don't quote me wink

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

Just because XP is no longer sold, doesn't mean it can't be installed/activated. 
So lets say that M$ stops selling XP next week.
Next year they switch off the activation server for online activation.
In 2011 they kill the telephone switchboard for phone activation.
At that point, the only unattended XP that will still work will be royalty preactivated OEM or corporate VLK.  Because both do not require validation of their activation.

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

I am sticking to my guns on this one it effectively becomes dead when they pull the plug on Critical Updates wink
at that point it becomes a stationary target for hackers wink on the other hand they will perhaps have moved on to greener pastures (Vista / Win7)

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

overflow you're right. it seems critical updates will be available until 2014. http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/?p=2 … =printable

but wouldn't internet browsing still be safe, using secure browser? i've always wondered what's the point in critical updates anyway, as my browser seems safe as it it. p.s. i don't use java. maybe i've got my finger in the eye?

p.s. mr_smartepants, you've made a good point bringing in the activation issue. but, for the purposes of the discussion, perhaps we could assume the windows copy to be preactivated? that would bring to the ultimate question: how long would such a preactivated xp really last?

(1) until extended support ends (when ms coffee patchers become bored)
(2) until nvidia stop supporting xp (when driver programmers run out of coffee)
(3) would last forever (so we can all continue to work with our coffee-driven bodies)

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

Well I hope Muiz does not read this ... wink

last time i went trolling for stats for Fuel... Why I chose not to support Vista.
I landed at several universities and google (at the time google still published that info).
- I choose four that vista showed up on.

http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic. … 523#p10523

There were more users browsing the internet on Win98 than Vista....
4% of the hits was for Windows 98... Twice as many as Vista at 1.9%

It's still not doing very well! http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2009/January/os.php
(wow 98 still had 529,387 users)

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
2008           WinXP  W2000  Win98   Vista     W2003   Linux   Mac
December   71.4%  1.7%     0.1%   15.6%    1.7%     3.8%   5.3%

One thing is clear MS Windows accounts for 90% of internet browsing hits.

If something works well (is quality) then it will become and remain popular. No amount of marketing will change this.
I love the Mac comercial where the MS guy has two stacks of money. One to fix Vista and one to market it.
The Mac guys says "That is not enough money to fix Vista" and the MS guy says
"yeah your right" and moves the repair money to the marketing stack! - LOL -
So True! They could have fixed it for the money they spent to try to convince us it was not junk!
(by this i mean if Vista were transparent to older Apps then business' would have adopted it, and a larger share of end users)

I expect that Windows 7 has the potential to either become like Windows Win2k  (Released with 64,000 known bugs) or
to become the next XP / 98se... Given MS's new trend to produce a quality product, as we have evidenced with the XP SP3 release.
I expect that W7 wil be the product that we can recomend to clients with confidence. (is it just coincedence that quality became important when Bill left)

If we take it as a Given that W7 will be like 98/XP.
Win 98 survived another five years after the release of XP.
We can then project that XP will survive until five years after the release of W7. 2009 + 5 = 2014.
(amazing how I just arrived at the same year as the crititcal update cutoff suggested by MS) wink

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

mr_smartepants wrote:

I think XP support will die the day M$ switches off their activation servers. big_smile

This is a primary reason why I have ditched Windows on my own computers and am actively working to minimize Microsoft's presence in my organization.  I have also ceased creating custom installs for people - to the horror of a couple hundred people where I work.

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

I'm already starting to feel the crunch of "Oh God, what now" since your announcement.  Thanks for all your hard work RogueSpear!
Hopefully, others will take over where you left off with your multimode installers.  They are indispensable!

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

Wow... a Hero retires, this is sad news. But a retired hero is still a hero! we luv ya!

so Mac or Linux?

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

XP clients can/will run in virtual machines in corporate low budget hardware. Clients cheap, network bandwidth increased, securised access, higher server CPU utilisation. lower (so they say) TCO and lower fossils burn (or carbondioxide output) because of lean machine with lower risk (but some 'network' congestion can be expected, even with IPV6)

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OH, did I tell you that there are days I wanna throw my monkey-wrench in the CRT when I have to work on our congested lower end clients?

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Re: Will unattended survive the next decade?

Jaak wrote:

XP clients can/will run in virtual machines in corporate low budget hardware. Clients cheap, network bandwidth increased, securised access, higher server CPU utilisation. lower (so they say) TCO and lower fossils burn (or carbondioxide output) because of lean machine with lower risk (but some 'network' congestion can be expected, even with IPV6)

they call that a terminal farm, Citrix wrote the book ms read to get on to that trick.  Kinda like the Netscape/IE debocile.
Citrix stole the idea from WYSE... shall i go on wink

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