Topic: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

I posted this issue before on the UBCD4WIN forum and they told me to post it here.

I have a 3Ware 9650-4LPML PCI-Express RAID controller in my system. When I try to launch the UBCD4WIN, it bluescreens me about failing to load the driver "3ware9k.sy_". Yes, it tries to use it while it's still compressed!

I have been able to resolve this issue by taking the official .sys driver of the 9650, renaming (not compressing) it to 3ware9k.sy_ and replace that file on the UBCD4WIN.

I hope this issue will be fixed in future versions.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

it is possable there is a newer version and we can update and resolve this issue
or there may be an error with the file or the pack - jake or jaak may be able to help if so.

the mass storage drivers are compressed on purpose...
there is a limit to the amount of ram that can be used to load mass storage drivers.
windows doesn't care if they are compressed and it allows us to avoid running out of ram when loading so many drivers.
(if they were not compressed we would have to remove 50 or so drivers from the pack to avoid crashing windows)

which mass storage pack version are you useing?

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

Might want to post the exact BSOD error code too.  Could be something unrelated to the NTLDR memory issue.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

OverFlow wrote:

which mass storage pack version are you useing?

The one that is on UBCD4WIN 3.12, I can't find which one that is.

DeTard wrote:

Might want to post the exact BSOD error code too.

I will as soon as possible.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

DeTard wrote:

Might want to post the exact BSOD error code too.

I recently upgraded to UBCD4WIN 3.13, and built it with Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3. The error is still there, and the text on the BSOD, gives the following information:

A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.

The problem seems to be caused by the following file: 3ware9k.SY_

The driver mistakenly marked a part of it's image pagable instead of nonpagable.

Then after the standard directions:

Technical Information:

*** STOP: 0x000000D3 (0xF693CEC0,0x00000002,0x00000001,0x8040F37F)

3ware9k.SY_

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

One more important thing. Someone on the UBCD4WIN forum said the 3ware9k.sys driver from the driverpack is from 2006. For as far as I have seen, all 3ware 9xxx models have the same DeviceID's and share the same driver. Since 3ware clearly states that new firmware versions require new driver versions, it is unlikely for a 2006 driver to work.

Hence, the 2008 version of 3wareDrv.sys should work for all 3ware 9xxx models and should be the new 3ware9k.sys, which can be compressed to be the new 3ware9k.sy_. It is available in this package:

http://www.3ware.com/download/Escalade9 … .5.0.1.zip

Please use this driver in future driverpack releases, and the UBCD4WIN problem will be solved automatically.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

sound good but tellme how do youc ompress a file ? I use expand to decompress, for compressing i have no clue. I've searched for un-expand tool and no luck.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

Hi
DriverPack MassStorage does not have a 3ware9k?

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Kind regards, Jaak.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

I see..
DriverPack MassStorage 7092 used 3ware9k tagname
DriverPack MassStorage 711 uses a new tagname (it updated to the 2006 version then)
and dpm805xx will have to use a the 2008 version of this driver.

(funny how some drivers behave when they get renamed by a tag.. but, since we have not used 3ware9k tag since november 2007 I get this feeling this happened after restreaming the plugin.)

the 2008 version presents me with a problem.. it has two INF files now..

Last edited by Jaak (2008-05-20 12:50:35)

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

this is also starting to sound like the SI 3112 problem all over again too

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

JakeLD wrote:

sound good but tellme how do youc ompress a file ? I use expand to decompress, for compressing i have no clue. I've searched for un-expand tool and no luck.

I use makecab, included with Windows XP. It can be used for single files too.

Jaak wrote:

I see..
DriverPack MassStorage 7092 used 3ware9k tagname
DriverPack MassStorage 711 uses a new tagname (it updated to the 2006 version then)
and dpm805xx will have to use a the 2008 version of this driver.

(funny how some drivers behave when they get renamed by a tag.. but, since we have not used 3ware9k tag since november 2007 I get this feeling this happened after restreaming the plugin.)

the 2008 version presents me with a problem.. it has two INF files now..

Just replacing the .sys file in the pack is not ok? It works for me...
For as far is I know the entire 9xxx series use the same driver.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

Thanks for the tip, it's gonna be helpful.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

JakeLD?
can you update the 3ware for us and create a testpack?

I would also like to get the VIA hyperion driver removed or zeroed.
(I'll explain the reason, when I araxis'd a  clean SP2 and SP3 it looked like that SP3 has updated or added the hyperion.)

The txtmode driver for hyperion was added to DriverPack MassStorage not too long ago.
(the 571 issues could  magically dissolve. SP2 may benefit((what was natively supported in SP2 by its via driver?? I dunno), but it sure looks like SP3 will have real issue in Via if we leave all via in the DriverPack MassStorage.)

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

doing this will drop support for sp2 hyperion...

I dont think i have ever said this before.... are you ready... ? ? ?

I think you should deliberately break signing on the driver in the pack...

that way it will only get used if the OS version is missing
(or could possibly be used if the windows driver were older wink )

so instead of deleteing it were just going to give it a very low PnP score...
taht way most other choices will be seen as better but will still be there as a last resort...

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

I figure we'll find out what HWIDS in VIA SP3 natively supports, compare that to what HWIDS SP2 natively supports, then do some magic.
JakeLD is very good at this, and we have a large reporter group when things are WRONG.

Please folks, we do need pre-release testers..
We know we have many lurkers, we know we have a good many users doing massive rollouts and quite a few more serious pop & mom stores and repair IT folks.
Jeff thinks we see less than 1 percent of our DriverPacks users submit a post.

I think less than 35 percent of the posts are helping us in the first post, and the people who really want to help you want you to help us by submitting more data and logs.

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Kind regards, Jaak.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

Jaak wrote:

I think less than 35 percent of the posts are helping us in the first post, and the people who really want to help you want you to help us by submitting more data and logs.

I think we are getting a little off-topic here... Back to my problem.
Although I still think just replacing the .sys file is enough for all 3ware 9xxx models, for your further research I will now provide more data, i.e. the ID info of my card:

AMCC 3ware 9650SE SATA RAID Controller

Device Instance Id:
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004&SUBSYS_100413C1&REV_01\4&662654C&0&00E0

Hardware Ids:
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004&SUBSYS_100413C1&REV_01
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004&SUBSYS_100413C1
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004&CC_010400
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004&CC_0104

Compatible Ids:
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004&REV_01
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004
PCI\VEN_13C1&CC_010400
PCI\VEN_13C1&CC_0104
PCI\VEN_13C1
PCI\CC_010400
PCI\CC_0104

Matching Device Id:
pci\ven_13c1&dev_1004&subsys_100413c1

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

No he really was ON target overall...
we do need people to post win or loose so we can make DriverPacks rock solid.
without people who post thier hwids we don't have them
(you have to possess the hardware to get the hwids)
We live or die by knowing what devices report what specific HWID's

Thanks for posting yours!


Have you tried just useing the current pack - instead of the one that came with your build?
I belive the included pack is from last year...

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

I built a testpack with 3wareDrv.sys from 2008 slimesmile linked to and cannot make it load during txtmode in live runs.
I remember the 2006 update was one of those case sensitive buggers, and this one is always saying it is corrupt. (despite streaming on clean copies, despite changing the INI, despite changing case in the filename itself.. despite the archive showing no error.. sad

The live machine I tested on ran vista x64 setup with good result, and vista tests memory pretty good.
----
OH, I have to tell one thing to slimesmile.
the HWIDS list is NOT the same
There are four HWIDs, and the fourth has a difference.
You are lucky your bartPE runs, and that your machine does not use the fourth.

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

About the VIA thing.
XP SP2 has VIAIDE which supports 571 and no other
XP SP3 has VIAIDE which supports 571 and no other (the driver also showed same when I did a binary compare..)
windows 2003 has support for 571
windows 2000 does not have support for 571

The hyperion (VIBUS) we load has support for 571 and ANOTHER.
What triggered my attention to this is basically this.
DriverPacks BASE 7052 loaded this later on.
DriverPacks BASE 805 has changed something in load order.
The busdrivers now show before scsi?

and 3waredrv loaded after ali and Qware and adaptec.. ??
It is first in INI, it should have loaded first.

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

errr? hmm... i did pass through mass storage on the last go

might be something to that... however, they are not sorted. so...

i can change mass storage around pretty fast now about 75% of that module is written since version 7

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

Jaak wrote:

OH, I have to tell one thing to slimesmile.
the HWIDS list is NOT the same
There are four HWIDs, and the fourth has a difference.
You are lucky your bartPE runs, and that your machine does not use the fourth.

Ok, if you say so, I am lucky. Strange that your test with the new driver does not work. I do not have enough understanding of hardware-id's to see why I am lucky though.

I do not know how to put another pack in to the UBCD4WIN, but my workaround (replacing the .sys file) is easy and works for me.

I remember causing a false corrupt driver message when I tried to load it from floppy long ago during Windows XP setup wit $OEM$ preinstall, luckily nLite warns for this issue now.

Also, are you sure you did not use a 32-bit driver in a 64-bit environment?

Sorry if I sound stupid, but I don't understand why I am lucky that the .sys file replacing works. I have noticed the driver archive contains two INF files, but I also know nLite can slipstream it into my XP Setup CD without problems.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

Jaak translates to English and sometimes things don't translate well...

he was surprised it didn't just crash when you did this - so you were lucky wink

as far as directions please see my signature for the tutorial wink - lol

It's also available in the PEbuilders 'plugin page' by highlighting base or a pack and hitting the help button... wink

I will have to think of a way to make that easier to find tongue

have a great day!!!
and to quote Jaak - "Thanks for helping us to help you"

the tutorial is still in Revision 1, feedback on that is also appreciated!

PS you can skip most of the way down to where it says
" you will have the following new folder under \plugins... ' \plugin\DriverPacks.net\BASE' "
but please read it so you're familiar with the basic process...

Since your PlugIn is already created for you - just copy the new mass storage pack to ' \plugin\DriverPacks.net\BASE\DriverPacks\' 
and then press the 'config' button in pebuilder with DP-Base highlighted in the plugins window.
this will automagicaly update your current plugin to the latest pack version in the \DriverPacks folder.

Simple and Easy!

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

2006 had fourth line as this
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004&SUBSYS_100513C1

2008 has fourth line as this
PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1005&SUBSYS_100513C1

I will try this again, with this

[3]
ms_count=1
ms_1_deviceName="3ware AMMC 9000/9500 Series SATA RAID Controller"
ms_1_tag="3wareDrv"
ms_1_sysFile="3wareDrv.SYS"
ms_1_hwids="PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1002&SUBSYS_100213C1,PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1003&SUBSYS_100313C1,PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1004&SUBSYS_100413C1,PCI\VEN_13C1&DEV_1005&SUBSYS_100513C1,SCSI\Processor__AMCC__SATA_RAID_9500S_,SCSI\Processor__AMCC__SATA_RAID_9550SX,SCSI\Processor__AMCC__SATA_RAID_9650SE,SCSI\Processor__AMCC___SAS_RAID_9690SA"
ms_1_isBusExtender=false

I just noticed that the HWID posted was the fourth?
And PE does not care for that?
The CAT for the 2008 version has DEV_1005&SUBSYS_100513C1 inside, so that new INF file is not wrong..
I've added the SCSI lines to the INI hoping that will work.

Last edited by Jaak (2008-05-27 18:10:44)

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Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

Thank you for trying to help.

I will now download the newest version of the massstoragedriverpack and try building the UBCD4Win with that.

Re: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows delivers BSOD

let us know if it works ok for you...

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