Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

I would also like to have drivers for windows XP x64 please.

In my opinion its a waste of time to do drivers for windows vista since windows 7 should be replacing it soon.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

I'm not sure but I think some drivers for vista works for windows 7.

XP 64 bits ? I don't believe many users out there actually use XP 64 bits. If Windows 7 is released on time those users will move to windows 7 64 bits, enterprises as well. Since we are very limited in resources of people doing the packs I don't believe it will happen. However if anybody out there wanna get involved in the project, well why not. Personally, I don't have time for XP 64 bits. I'm still working on XP packages and when windows 7 SP1 is released I will do the switch.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Everyone I know who was running XP-64 jumped ship to Vista as soon as it was available (out of sheer frustration). 
I'm with JakeLD, as soon as Win7 is final, I'm onboard!  Vista is history.  XP-32 is still my recommended OS for older hardware though, and I still run it on my two notebooks.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Me too... Vista was Windows ME version 2...

XP-64 never was very popular, this is even further evidenced by this thread...
50 posts in 8 months... sad

Win7 is the answer... big_smile
Rats, I have work to do... Again wink

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Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

mr_smartepants wrote:

Everyone I know who was running XP-64 jumped ship to Vista as soon as it was available (out of sheer frustration). 
I'm with JakeLD, as soon as Win7 is final, I'm onboard!  Vista is history.  XP-32 is still my recommended OS for older hardware though, and I still run it on my two notebooks.

I to tried XP/64 and removed it within 2 days. Then tried Vista 64 and had a lot of problems with my scanner and NEC 1800 laser printer, Netgear SC100 NAS, removed within a week. Now running Win 7 64 in a removable drive bay and am almost at the point of adopting it for my primary OS, very stable even in Beta form. IE8 seems to have some problems, but as I use Firefox all the time it's not a problem.

Most of the Vista drivers seem to run without problem as Microsoft promised.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Stu

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Wow, I always thought the XP driverpacks were both 32 and 64bit! I never realized it's only 32bit. Otherwise I would have voted for this loooong time ago!
Now that I have a 64bit cpu (wich I didn't have before) and 4GB RAM I am already working on my XP-64 unattended install. But now that I realize there are no driverpacks sad:(

I can't really understand the Vista hype... most people I know had Vista for no longer then a year then switched back to XP. It seems more a Windows Millennium version of XP to me (and with a nice theme and some other stuff you can make XP look even better then Vista). Unless you really need DirectX10, again, to me, the only reason to ever use Vista.

dammzzz all the driverpacks have 86-32 in their names... I should have realized this!

1 BIG vote for 64bit!


edit: and isn't Win7 actually just Windows ME III? I haven't found a list of real benefits compared to XP.

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Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

zilexa wrote:

edit: and isn't Win7 actually just Windows ME III? I haven't found a list of real benefits compared to XP.

Nah, they cannot come out with two ME successors one after another so they got to make at least one proper after Vista, LOL big_smile

Really, if you are considering 64bit (just as me), then 7 is probably the OS to chose.
XP64 was mere a technical demo (plus, it didn't even get translated and the MUI isn't perfect at all) and Vista 64 is, well, Vista wink

As soon as the new PC parts ship in, I'm going to give 7 64bit a try (CPU limited ATM...).

If you want to stay with 32bit, then XP is probably fine for you, true.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Well we had a million downloads last week, and we still only have 25 votes for xp-64

and it is abandonware to boot...

can we "stop whipping the dead horse" now tongue wink

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Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

I should point out that until Vista came out, I was a Micro$oft apologist.

Once the RC came out, I was so disgusted by it, that I promised myself that if it was released with all the problems it had, I would make XP the last version I ever touched. Well, it was released pretty well as it was, and true to promise, I refuse to touch Vista, even for clients. I tell them that they will need to find someone else to handle their problems; that I have a minimum level of quality that I deal with, and that Vista is well beneath that level.

As such, since many new computers have 64-bit processors, and have the ability to accept more than 4Gb of memory (many now even come standard with 4 or 6Gb), I use XP 64-bit almost exclusively.

And yes, that includes client computers.

I now have close to 200 clients with XP 64-bit, and virtually 100% of them love it. The only ones who have ever complained were the ones moving up from Windows 98, mainly because their old 16-bit apps no longer work. Yes, I still do get those kinds of people once in a while.

So please, please provide an XP 64-bit pack or expand the 2000/XP/2003 pack to include as many 64-bit drivers as possible.

XP 64-bit might be “dead�  according to Micro$oft, but there are many people (like me) and many businesses (like mine) who will continue to recommend and install XP 64-bit right up until it is no longer supported (as in, no more patches and updates).

And since Windows 7 appears to be much the same sh*t as Vista (with only minor improvements to performance, and almost NO improvements to the FUGLY and HORRIBLY DESIGNED user interface), it seems that I will be recommending XP 64-bit for a very long time to come.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

I just checked my client list… seems I was a bit conservative. Make that about 300 clients with XP 64-bit to date. I usually do about a good half-dozen installations per month, and very few of them are still XP 32-bit (usually for older 32-bit hardware or thin clients and netbooks). Yes, I am doing this just part-time, but I do have a steady stream of customers for either new hardware custom-built, or to get rid of Vista entirely.

I should also point out that my request for XP 64-bit tends to be focused on chipset drivers, audio drivers and communication drivers (wireless and LAN). Video card drivers are usually quite easy to obtain, and the rest tends to fall into place with a little bit of research on my part.

I would love to contribute to XP 64-bit, provided my contributions were effective.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Well, the DriverPacks themselves wouldn't be difficult to create (dpms is a nightmare regardless).  The DriverPacks Finisher would probably work fine without modification.  The main problem would be DriverPacks BASE since it only works with 32-bit install platform folder structure and file mods.  As far as I'm concerned, XP-64 is a dead platform.  Useful in it's day, but dead nonetheless.
I for one refuse to even touch an XP-64 machine (I've built a few in my time) and I always recommend to my clients to upgrade to Vista x64 as quickly as possible.  Now with Win7 only months away from release, I'm telling them to hold off until then.  Win7 is AWESOME!  I've been running the latest 7048 build on my 4-yr old Gateway notebook and it's flawless!  Much faster than XP or Vista.

The King is dead!  Long live the King!
smile

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Just ordered an Asus 10" netbook with Atom 1.66 and 1 gig (ordered a 2 gig chip), will reload the OS with DP and let you know.

Also going to add Windows 7 - 7048 on a spare HD and try with 1 gig and then add the 2 gig.

Are you using 32 or 64 bit Win 7 ??? What CPU/Memory etc.

Stu

p.s. Everything I try with the latest nightlies is working just fine.

Does it help to post "success" installs or only when I have a problem.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

I second the Win7 vote
I'm running a 64bit version on a test machine
I have just been abusing it... It's solid
All vista drivers i installed worked fine. As advertized
I installed apps and games dual booted it with the OEM Vista - repartitioned with the Vista disk manager.
It's fast and its stable and it has a more tolerable footprint in RAM.
We will have to see where they go with it but.. since the beta is strong we have high hopes wink
I'd like to see tehm make it even leaner big_smile

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Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

BigBrit wrote:

Are you using 32 or 64 bit Win 7 ??? What CPU/Memory etc.

On the notebook I'm running 32-bit Win7.  1.4GHz Pentium M maxed with 1GB RAM.
Boot times on the notebook (cold boot to usable desktop, launch Firefox):
Vista32: 3:20
XP32: 2:19
Win7x86: 1:29
I've been hammering on 64-bit on my Q6600 tower.  Both have been rock stable.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Thanks for the info.

Looks as if 64 bit is finally becoming a mainstream standard, it seems to run a little faster than 32 bit.

As for a leaner version, cast your minds back to the beta versions of Vista, they ran FASTER than the shipping version.

Win 7 already installed on my test rig (wooden base, can change parts really quick) in 32 and 64 bit versions so I am ready to test.

Stu

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

OverFlow wrote:

Me too... Vista was Windows ME version 2...

XP-64 never was very popular, this is even further evidenced by this thread...
50 posts in 8 months... sad

Well duh! Because you offer no driverpacks for it. They don't get here using Google. They go here instead, and with a lot of success:
http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=9
http://msfn.org/board/index.php?showforum=104
http://planetamd64.com/index.php?showforum=84
http://autopatcher.com/forums/index.php?showforum=15
http://extended64.com
http://start64.com
http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/64 … 64faq.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/ph/8599
http://xp64.ma.cx
http://newage-os.net

Everyone I know, and I do mean everyone in my personal surroundings (scientists and video/audio editors/creators and developers/coders mostly) STILL prefers XP x64. Which is supported by the forums mentioned above.

Not to mention: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/micros … ,6895.html and http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1 … amp;page=7

If you still think Vista will 'conquer' those users, you're DEAD wrong. They will not switch, trust me.

Luckily most hardware vendors support XP64 nowadays.
Only problem is: YOU don't!

Last edited by MeOW (2009-03-13 02:05:12)

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Meow, your just going to have to accept at some point that XP is going away, like 2000, 98, 95, 3.1 before it. Windows 7 will be the cats meow, pun intended. It's Vista, but better. Vista is to W7 like ME was to XP.

Yes, Driverpacks currently supports XP. But now driverpacks are starting to support Vista too, eventually Windows7. I don't see the justification of adding 64bit for a smaller base of users than the those using OSX.

I digress, I think that more people would use XP 64bit if the drivers/software was more readily available. I just don't see us having the unpaid, voluntary, manpower to accomplish the task of also doing a set of 64bit drivers.

Stop getting all pissy about it and DO something about it Meow. I can google search a whole bunch of XP 64bit websites too! So why don't you start working on drivers for mass storage 64bit. Because as of right now all you sound like is a troll.

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Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

kickarse wrote:

Meow, your just going to have to accept at some point that XP is going away

You have no idea what you're writing about. It's not going away anytime soon; http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3198 As long as microsoft releases updates for 2003 SP2 x64, any XP x64 user will be able to apply them. Even better:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=8599 <- There isn't even an end date set for XP x64 yet!

There is no need to upgrade AT ALL. XP x64 will be running JUST FINE for years on end, and I see no reason to stop using it if it's THE BEST O.S. on the market right now.

Your claim in favor of "upgrading" to bloated slow untested and generally dumb new operating systems is really sad and unfounded. XP x64 is by far the most effective OS at this time, for Quad Core and Dual Core processors and DDR3. This has been proven time and again, and is a known fact for Microsoft as well.

By the way, it's "you're" not "your". Maybe learn some grammar and spelling first, then think about having an opinion on the lifespan of operating systems.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

MeOW wrote:
kickarse wrote:

Meow, your just going to have to accept at some point that XP is going away

You have no idea what you're writing about. It's not going away anytime soon; http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3198 As long as microsoft releases updates for 2003 SP2 x64, any XP x64 user will be able to apply them. Even better:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=8599 <- There isn't even an end date set for XP x64 yet!

There is no need to upgrade AT ALL. XP x64 will be running JUST FINE for years on end, and I see no reason to stop using it if it's THE BEST O.S. on the market right now.

Your claim in favor of "upgrading" to bloated slow untested and generally dumb new operating systems is really sad and unfounded. XP x64 is by far the most effective OS at this time, for Quad Core and Dual Core processors and DDR3. This has been proven time and again, and is a known fact for Microsoft as well.

By the way, it's "you're" not "your". Maybe learn some grammar and spelling first, then think about having an opinion on the lifespan of operating systems.

You've certainly got your skirt in a bunch huh? Talk about a grammar Nazi, geez. I can cherry pick your incorrect grammar and sentencing structure as well. You're just arguing and it's not helpful.

Though, I'm fairly positive that my 10 years of professional/business computing experience (and many more non-professional years), and continued experience, gives me warrant to make substantiated claims about certain things regarding the operating systems we have used, currently use and will acquire.

The point I was making was and is from a business stand point, and perhaps, therein lies the problem. Microsoft will be end life cycle on Windows XP, at least 32bit, soon. We don't use or support 64 bit in our environments and I have not seen a need to deploy it. Perhaps I was too general in saying 'XP was going away'. A mute point, but I never said that XP 64bit was itself going away soon. But when one goes the other is usually short to follow.

We can also all just keep plugging along on Windows 2000 or 98, too! And why not? If you don't see a need to upgrade then don't. But the world around you will. And as unfortunate as that is, that's the way it is.

To quote, "There is no need to upgrade AT ALL. XP x64 will be running JUST FINE for years on end, and I see no reason to stop using it if it's THE BEST O.S. on the market right now." Seriously, really, honestly, more and more software will come out that will abandon support for OS's past. Years to come you will have a piece of software you will want or have to use that will need some newer OS. It's quite obvious to me that you fit into one of these roles: you haven't been in the IT business at all or a very short time or your a regular consumer or kid trying to make a 'point' or some computer science major who thinks he knows how the world works.

By the way, I never claimed to hate XP 32 or 64 bit. In fact I love XP in all forms. Nor do I feel it particularly necessary to upgrade to Windows 7 or Vista. But, Windows 7 is hardly untested and bloated. And it will/should be out by end of year. Microsoft cannot afford to make the same mistake twice. The MS behemoth will die and people will continue to use XP 64bit "for years on end", "bloated" Vista and never upgrade, forever.

Honestly, you still sound like a troll, arguing over silly things that'll obviously get the goat of many here. Still, what are you going to to about helping with getting 64bit drivers for XP? Donate all your time and money? And this was one of the other points I was making. The majority of users are with 32bit XP right now and we only have so much voluntary, unpaid staff. So instead of fighting over it, help.

And stop making up fake statistics it's really "dumb".

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Again, it seems you can't read, so I'll post them again:
http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=9
http://autopatcher.com/forums/index.php?showforum=15
http://planetamd64.com/index.php?showforum=84
http://msfn.org/board/index.php?showforum=104
http://xp64.ma.cx
http://start64.com
http://extended64.com
http://support.microsoft.com/ph/8599
http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/64 … 64faq.mspx

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/micros … ,6895.html
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1 … amp;page=7
http://newage-os.net

Also, note the 'vibe' XP64 enjoys on ptp: " WAREZ ARE NOT TOLERATED LINK REMOVED Jeff "

It's no coincidence that these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1GBPreUPXk&fmt=18 do all their testing on custom XP x64 installations. I do honest testing with many qualified users. You are the sheep behind Microsoft's push-market. Which by the way belongs to the dark-ages, seeing as it has destroyed your economy. Stop thinking you need to 'grow' or 'upgrade' when things are working just fine for most users out there. XP64 ain't broken, there is no need whatsoever to regard it as such.

Where does that nonsense about "making up fake statistics" come from, show me where they have been made up. They haven't. Accusing people of things they haven't done is really dumb.
Forcing people to upgrade (their hardware and operating systems) for no apparent reason is really dumb too, by the way.

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Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Children, children, XP 64 is a great program even though very few people use it and drivers are scarce.
The vast majority of users are 32 bit based because of the driver issue. I tried XP 64 and had to drop it because of driver issues.
Many components (re: printer, scanner etc.) drivers are not supported in a true 64 bit version, Vista and Win 7 are.

Windows 7 32/64 bit versions have had the multicore scheduler re-written and optimized, it will work better than XP 32/64 with multicore CPU's, this was also partially true with Vista.
The memory management in Win 7 64 bit is better than XP 64. Microsoft has been through a learning process over the last few years (Vista being the exception).
Win 7 now only loads components that are required for the OS to operate with other DLL's etc. loading when requested, drivers load in parallel, something XP 64 does not do.

Win 7 32/64 will have far more drivers within 6 months than XP 64 will ever have.

I realize you have your views as well as others on this Forum and I/we respect them. I agree that XP 32/64 will remain for many years to come as will Windows 2000 and 98SE.
Still have clients running Windows 3.11. Some claim that is the best OS, others claim 98SE is the best thing since sliced bread, all personal viewpoints.

Many people on the Forum who have testing knowledge of Win 7 believe it has the basis of a great OS possibly as great as XP.

Go in peace children and fight no more.

Enjoy your weekend.

Stu

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

XP x64 isn't a "program", and drivers AREN'T scarce at all!
Stop making up gossip stories like that. Server 2003 x64 is widely used and uses the exact same base as XP64 does. At least 99 of 100 hardware vendors fully support it, that's why I started posting here. It's really weird that nobody is prepared to create driver-packs for XP x64 Edition. And yes, I'm tempted to create them myself.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Wow, you certainly are keen on whether its call a "program" or an "OS"

XP 64 is an OS, OK.

If you wish to write your own DriverPacks for XP 64 (OS) then please do so, I and others would be glad to help you test in their spare time.

You are not going to change the minds of the people on this Forum who consider XP 64 as being to small a usage level as far as we are concerned to spend a great deal of time for a handful of users.

With the download level this Forum has for 32 bit, it only makes sense to spend the majority of our time working on that.
This may change with Win 7 ???

I agree, there are drivers for video, sound etc., but a lot of other drivers are not true 64 bit but work with 64 bit.
If you working with Server 2003 64 then I would say there are drivers for everything inside the box.

Glad to be of help.

Stu

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

Well we never determined that XP-64 was a viable platform to devote our time; considering (from our perspective) it doesn't have a significant foothold in the professional community anymore since Vista x64 was released two years ago.  In my organization, we have well over 1000 client workstations (half of which are 64-bit CPUs) and they are ALL humming merrily along with XP-32 until our ongoing migration to Vista-32 (which I'm opposing, but losing).  Even our servers were running Server 2003R2 until they got updated to Server 2008.  XP-64 just had too many problems and compatibility issues to deploy broadly.
I'm certain though that some of you will disagree with me.  That's fine.  I've been defending the right to voice your opinion for almost 22 years on active duty (although since MeOW appears to be from the Netherlands, not directly).  Irrelevant.
You have your opinion, I have mine, we have ours.  This is still an open forum.
MeOW, If you want to start your own XP-64 DriverPacks, feel free to do so, and we may help you in your endeavors.  Many here have a wide expertise in different fields and hold the keys to unlock several OS 'secrets'.
But don't expect us to jump up and be your personal 'code monkeys' just because you're raising your voice at us.  I don't react too well to openly negative (and unwarranted) criticism.  Being nice about it would have carried you much further here.
Be nice.
Don't be rude.
Learn from us as well as teach us.
Good night.

Re: [REQ] 64bit support - No... Not for NT5 based platforms

MeOW wrote:

Again, it seems you can't read, so I'll post them again:
... 30 second google searched websites ...
Also, note the 'vibe' XP64 enjoys on ptp: --- perhaps you don't know the rules ---

It's no coincidence that these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1GBPreUPXk&fmt=18 do all their testing on custom XP x64 installations. I do honest testing with many qualified users. You are the sheep behind Microsoft's push-market. Which by the way belongs to the dark-ages, seeing as it has destroyed your economy. Stop thinking you need to 'grow' or 'upgrade' when things are working just fine for most users out there. XP64 ain't broken, there is no need whatsoever to regard it as such.

Where does that nonsense about "making up fake statistics" come from, show me where they have been made up. They haven't. Accusing people of things they haven't done is really dumb.
Forcing people to upgrade (their hardware and operating systems) for no apparent reason is really dumb too, by the way.

*bleating /on*

Posting Google searches wont get you anywhere. You obviously have an issue with being even slightly wrong. May I ask how old you are? Is English your secondary language? Maybe there's a language barrier. Insulting members who've actually contributed to the cause will only get you banned. I'm trying to civil and you keep insulting people.

If you're going to go the route of not being a "sheep" why use Windows at all? Why don't you go to a 'true' OS like Redhat or the many other *Nix variants? But, alas, it is you who truly cannot read or you choose to not understand what is said. You haven't definitively answered the question I posed. And you continue to twist the argument and leave out portions of what has been stated. You have to remember that there many people in this world, many much smarter than yourself, many who disagree with you and perhaps some who agree. You need to stop whining and accept that.

Eventually we will need to "'grow'" and "'upgrade'". That's life. I'm not saying it needs to be now, not saying it needs to be in a year or two, but eventually. The whole industry drives it. Tell me, in the future, if there's an application that you need to use in order to be paid and it requires Window 7, will you say no out of sheer stubbornness? And what if you were to work for a company that uses Windows 7, will you tell them to downgrade because it's your preference to use Windows XP 64bit? I'm also not saying I want it. I have to support and deploy it, remember.

You also need to know that just because 64bit has worked for you, it won't work for everyone and every hardware. The many testers here can attest to that even with 32bit OS and the complexities that introduces. These manufacturers can't get their act together with that how in the world will they for 64bit?

The fake statistics are here http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic. … 040#p28040 - I'd like to see where you got 99.9% from. As for the Youtube video, ugh, really? Windows 7 isn't out yet. The video is posted from Nov 25, 2008, why would they be using Windows 7 for testing? Your argument holds no water, of course they would use 64bit 2003/XP because of the 4gb limit of 32bit.

*bleating /off*

Last edited by stamandster (2009-03-13 10:53:46)