I had to edit my reply because my english is sorta always turning out like Flemish.
I blame it on my Flemishness.

What kills signing?
There are many factors, and the code aware/driver aware geeks (regulars) at DriverPacks know a good many few of those and have helped work around the pitiful situation hardware vendor driver writers have put all of YOU in.

Driver writer teams apparently take an existing "model" (based on an still older guideline.) and most often just ADD their HWID to the INF, while the core system level driver is also changed.

They rewrite core system of driver because the chip combo they want to support has another mask..
Also when it was proprietary re-manufactored to their company needs.
I know there are system file differences written for the purpose of adding cross-checks in system file, so that a new HWID added SOMETIMES means nothing more than that the HWID was added -embedded-checked- IN the system file.

ALSO NOTE; in CPU fabrication one knows stepping. A stepping is done by re-etching part of the mask, but a new "stepping" of a CPU does not require rewrite of system level driver (an internal optimisation, as it were).
A proprietary build is not a stepping, it is truly a different chip when the code has to allow other interoperability function for the new HWID this mask gets. 
(Hence, the often VERY diffuse line between driver upgrade/new driver.)

The new driver for the new chip was often written with a lot of the old info.. and they left old INFo in the INF.
sad
The default HWID is then not "truly" supported.
Often times, the old default "hwid" no longer works with THEIR new SYS file.

MSFT claims Vista has over 2.5 million drivers.
XP, well, I don't know.
OUR problem is that a HWID does not make a driver, but a driver can break a HWID supported by an older driver.

take an example.
a driver supplied by gigabyte motherboard.
157 HWID on a type of controller. (that's mass, chipset)
The controller chip vendor, default HWID for that type, have 23.
DriverPack MassStorage, if only lists 23, gets numerous requests to add non supported, and if (IF..) when we are lucky we find that the HWIDS were all supported by same core system file.
Great, we take the driver with 157, and do not have to break signing.

Dream on.
Same motherboard vendor has at least 18 versions of drivers on the CD.
Some have overlap, some have poison overlap.
Poison overlap happens when a newer driver portends (pretends?) to support a HWID left in from the 'boilerplate" txt the driver writer worked on while writing the new driver.

The sad fact was/is that because the manufactors have a driver tested against THAT motherboard, it works.
OK, maybe it was good enough for that mobo..
BUT, the damn thing bluescreens on its contemporary siblings, and on its 'fore-fathers'.
And, sometimes that driver Bluescreens on its new mask, or in a new combo (combo of reliable chip with another chip.)

hah, 2.5 million drivers.
a gazzillion HWIDs
NO true database on masks, on core incompatibilities, on cross-chip conflicts a new mask had to fix.
You know, If I were not with my heart for DriverPacks, I'd given up a long time.

Hi,
>> DriverPacks Finisher 8.09.rc1 initialized. >>
What I see is an older DriverPacks BASE test build.
DPs_BASE_81127rc.exe exists, and your previous topic may very well have helped Jeff.

Since you seem to be able to find older, and I am not going to link to latest testpacks, it is up to you to decide what you will do.
YOU either find it and be an unofficial lurker/tester (with the risk of spending many hours fishing for answers.. on your own in the dark.), or you stick to official releases, or you OFFICIALLY do what you apparently like to do.

We welcome people with the gusto and means, and you did provide logs in both posts.
I think you have the balls.

>> bombastic previously posted this
http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?id=3294

I did not look at it yet, but for sake of educational discussion..
It could be an update, and it could be driver with poison overlap.

(a poison overlap is when it has older/competitive HWIDs it does not work with.)

OTOH, full WIM will NOT install on a lot of older hardware because that is barely sufficcient to run basic XP, and XP will "run" on that, or because they have no good driver.

(server 2008 core can run in 128Mb ram in a VM)

Erik, had I used KTD, or the equivalent DriverPacks with DPinst (I call that M3) with a dpg, I bet that GV66128 HWID woud have no conflict with M$.

This is, In my opinion, what the M$ senior I will call "arves" mentioned as issues they have with nV.
MSFT built in (aka native) evolve by two timelines.
XP SP3 had a few changes to SP2 in HWID.
Vista SP2 and server 2008 hardware -live metal setup- are far superiour to XP.

XP SP3 suffered, imho, in that it did not get the full 2008 WIM.

Hi Echo_platoon.
Can you tell us before-hand if this driver presents problems with installing when you do NOT have the hardware?

You are an old timer here and a trusted hand, and I think you have seen that we get some impossible requests.
For instance, when we use driver extraction tools, we sometimes see that nothing the team uses gets a usable driver, and then we either get in a situation where:
1; person with the hardware does not know how to extract the full set of files in usable folder.
2; driver install routine is propriatary to installer and extraction tools cannot extract the main from a non existing main because main deleted temps, and the DL exe wont extract without running that routine.
3:we get no response, and miss only a few files..

A little tale on nVidia 6600.
Five days ago I used an older set of DriverPacks on a low budget low feature mainboard with an XGI onboard graphics chip.
KTD was not used (it was a method one install).
This budget system (with a dual core 3Ghz) was lent to a household that have One PC, and its vista machine had serious problems I had to look into.
Today that "loaner" system came back and I added a nVidia NX6600GT td128 mb with active fan.
Well, I had to download the nVidia drivers for it and installed those. (174.82)

Well, all is well after that, and I can change resolutions (monitor driver is also installed) to all supported by monitor.
But... The noise from the active fan bothered me.
I look in the cabinets and find a silent nVidia gv66128, which is (and gets reported as) 6600 with 128Mb.
BUT. I cannot change to over 4bit, so I have 600/400 and 800/600 in 4 bit.
I reinstall the download, NO cigar.

This is totally unexpected (because switching to another model nVidia WAS normally a seamless NON-event), and I think this a ferfect example on how much trouble MrSmartepants is trying to solve for you all.

Hi
today I noticed that the VMware mouse driver was installed in 'live metal' test in XP. (on a 'el cheapo' asus P5M2E low feature "server" mobo).

The asus mobo has no sound on board and no sound card.
And, windows XP installs standard sound stuff none the less.
Life is fun.
Anyway. HID like mice and keyb are important, and while the mouse works with the VM driver, it struck me as 'very" odd that XP had not used the M$ driver.

edit>
I tried look up what version DriverPack Chipset I used, but I find no names..
Well, this was done with a super short path method one DVD I saved as ISO around June 2008.
(was in a hurry to get that thing running and used an older build.)

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@ the team.
I will try put in time and will attempt to collect data from the current Third Party DriverPacks and released main DriverPacks (and the latest main DP nightlies) and can (I hope) do some worthwhile work in excel.

Nobody likes conflicts, and sound/modem/TV/Graphics with HDMI, have sound.
I saw that an excel sheet was left in Third Party DriverPack modem. (with the hilite formula in it.)
This gave me the idea to do more of this.

well, Some Body has apparently had a look, and has already fixed those.

Thanks.
However, Jeff has a point.
The supported device list and changelogs should not be in root.

Hi chud

that post starts half-way Lan (lan\sis) and ends with wan\z4.
it has NO %KTD%\3\

I think the full list would be "at least" twice as long.
(lan is huge and not all of it is seen here.. and DriverPack Graphics A b c mass chips and Third Party DriverPack are not listed.)

Some body will have to look at Third Party DriverPack.
Last time I looked there were some packs with awful long foldernames.

Hi,
I know this is an old post.
Welcome to DriverPacks.

I read you added driverpacks with Nlite.
This will NOT work.

separate post.
suites with configurable AV can be configured.

a basic AV plug-in has no CPL.
I can not tell a OA+ user how to omit  folders 'on acces"
OA FW (no AV) still has a good FW and  HIPS feature.
That in itself is a problem for DriverPacks BASE and 7z.
I use avast alongside OA+.
Hence the need for an other live metal dedicated DriverPacks cruncher.

Jeff, Online armor firewall has a variant called OA+ with kaspersky AV for OA+basic licenced in-line AV (a sandboxed pass-through) and you would not believe the number of warn triggers DriverPacks BASE causes.

glad to see my back big_smile

hehe, I know what you meant.
(she giggles.. says snuff internet. get a real life. I gonna turn her over to DriverPacks.)

I killed links to old testpacks (they gave you a 404 )

JakeLD will be thrilled.
Thanks.

Jon did a LOT of work
I was out of the loop for a few months.
I know I spoiled you all while I was housebound after surgery. smile
Jon took up the task and learned hard lessons.

They say these are the best.
I want to say I made more mistakes than he ever will.
I think new DP team members have the advantage of reading about mistakes old team members made.

EDIT
Those errors I make and tell you about in fora are usually caught in private tests.
The errors I missed and learned a LOT MORE from were exposed after I put up a testpack that had not been fully tested privately.

There are a good many tests a testpack has to go through, and I think nobody in the team can do all.
Par Example.
I usually did a VM or VPC test (on one or two OS°) and live real metal (for one or two OS°), and that is very limited.
(the ° stands for SP version)
Well, now consider the fact that nobody here has 150 different types of mobo, and that team members can spend as much as ten hours on testing out all variations the GUI offers on ONE mobo. Then do the maths for the variant OS/SP. (the OS SP version can play a role)...
You'll come to understand there are a good many reasons why a team member has to allow testpacks to a select public, or (what we sometimes do) has to throw it to the wide public.

I personally primarily test disc based install when I get the time and have suitable hardware.
Theory has to get empirically tested, and a release should be tested before release, right?
I still like to think disc based install is prime goal, PE and sysprep are benefiting by the same filtering we do for disc based, and the workarounds that get developed for PE and DPinst are made easier by your reports.

I'll edit the older post with the older (not working) link.

In this topic I aked for powerful filtering of duplicates.
I found out excel 2007 has powerful sort functions.

I found a powerful suite of excel add-ins (Sorry, not free.)
http://www.office-excel.com/excel-addin … undle.html

I found out that nothing one can automise will handle all permutaions, and the human should have the last decision, because of GiGo.
Garbage IN (what one uses as source of scanned file for output.)
Garbage OUT (what one can get if the developer does not corroberate findings to other findings.)

Hi Chief Zeke.

IF you want to update intel for yourself, do NOT delete OLD.
IF you want to make yourself a simple and effective testpack.
Extract/Copy/rename extracted so you have new folder with new version name, and let files overwrite older without removing older files.
Intel tend to drop support for older by dropping files from the folder with all those INF in it.
(this was discussed in a topic about old intel hardware almost a year ago.)

I will reword that.
You know?
AHCI/IDE/RAID/SAS at DriverPacks.net can NOT have overlap in HWID in the DriverPacks and that made life miserable for the driverpack teams.

The rewording is needed here because what we get at the download pages CAN and does have overlap, and we have to make fair (but oft times difficult) choices.
Not too long ago (this started with 7.xx), Intel chose to not support all AHCI in XP in their releases, and later on they offered AHCI for some HWIDs they had previously excluded from support in XP.
We have most likely an almost complete coverage for all modi, but Intel motheboard is not the only motherboard/chip combination, and the proprietary Intel-chip-based OEM chipped moboes found in large OEM branded computers will often have a driver RE-written for their specific modification.
And, we know that OEM RE-written drivers will often have "generic HWIDs" and the proprietary SYSTEMFILE will NOT work ok on standard intel.
That is why we need detail like HWIDs output.

updated. I hope you subscribe to topics of interest.

Hi JacksonO,
we do ask for logs for a good reason. DriverPacks team tries to filter out conflicting sets of drivers, and the TXTmode drivers can have one unique HWID for each OS we support. So, we try to get as many unique HWIDS and as few as possible "generic" in TXTmode.

The logs we ask for tell us about the combination of DriverPacks versions used.
OverFlow made a very sharp observation not too long ago, and told the developers and testers that we have to synchronise chipset/lan/mass.
He has a point.
These tend to come from "driver sets" like Nvidia provides, and I actually wish Intel would pack sets per chipset.

One can find that Intel points to the matrix storage overview page for a chipset that will not work with the newest version of the matrix drivers (this is the page where you also find "floppy" creator.)
At another forum, I saw that Intel users get the latest, and it doesn't work with that chipset.
I pointed the users of that type of chipset to the older matrix (7.xxx) and all was good in the world.

You will see that we try to have ALL intel chipset drivers, and ALL intel matrix, but this is not easy to make work for all modes.

You know?
AHCI/IDE/RAID/SAS can have overlap in HWID and that made life miserable for the driverpack teams.

hi, just a comment about the way you wrote that name.
DP_IntelDriverDell360_wnt5_x86-32_08.11.27.7z
It has too many dots.

DP_myNONtxtModeDriver_wnt5_x86-32_081127.7z

Thanks.

I bought an antec case for a new machine.
I can fit in the gear currently fixed to the "testplank", but I need a test mobo on the testplank for live runs of the builds..
(it would make little sense in fixing an old Piii to the plank, I guess.)

Anyway, I need a machine I can use for DriverPacks because current workhorse's security measures interfere with the slipstream processes, and I hate to shut off good security and do not want to change to another in workhorse.

hi,
welcome to DriverPacks.

ql40xx.sys is a QLogic file, and we don't carry it.

Hi, I surmise you did not use the latest unofficial DriverPacks, but, we cannot be sure of that unless you tell us what you exactly used. (the DriverPacks BASE log)

And, welcome to DriverPacks.
IF it is a consolation at all, I can tell you that any specific server driver can play h*ll in txtmode script, and we've seen some driver requests for "SAS" we could not implement no matter what we tried.

As a matter of fact, I think the latest testpack in DriverPack MassStorage has one of those unsoluble, or paradoxicals (whatever it is one can call them.)
Consider that when you look at a system file, and look at its OEM and INF, and then try all you can to integrate, and you see that whatever you do, the path or name don't work, that this is not our doing, but some quirk inherent in the systemfile and server security requirements 'most probably" were in the requirements of that file developer's mind.