they are supposed to be deleted!

according to your log they were deleted.

Please read this thread from the top... again.


2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted the DriverPacks, which were located in "C:\D".


Your log clearly states that they were deleted!

xman wrote:

Yes DPs_BASE_8125 is the only one I've ever used. Perhaps in future versions a choice of whether you'd like to have the 'D' folder and related files on your C drive or not would be implemented wink

Dude it already is implemented~!

We have millions of users and hundreds of testing team members that do not have a problem...
On all of their installs the \D\ folder is deleted EVERY TIME!
Your log says clearly that your D\ folder was deleted too...

Hilander is "the man" wink

If you want something in PE, either he can do it, or it can't be done. wink

He wasn't kidding about fixing it - if you provided GOOD details...


restating the layers of drivers thing.
Think of an OSs drivers like a pyramid and graphics drivers like the capstone.
- Your BASE is the chipset drivers (which are not installed in PE)
- On top of the base goes every thing else. we are starting at a disadvantage. basic chipset acceleration is gimped
Mass Storage, USB, RAM, Console and other medium level functions depend on chipset. (gimped by dependency)
Mass takes a beating here, since everything is loaded into RAM not a huge deal, unless we need something from HDD or ODD.
- Sound and Video are at or near the top of our pyramid and likewise depend on the blocks below them to be solid. IE a screen refresh might be slow due to increased lag on IO / Mass Storage or even RAM itself. many sound drivers require the HDA driver installed first, As john pointed out this will require one extra loop through HWPNP.EXE so HDA can be present before the sound Hardware is visible, and eligable for the driver. - i don't even want to think too much about video... Wheeew

Try and give Hilander as much detail as you can!

Excellent first post pkzero!

Pack versions, HWIDs, Links... very nice!

Welcome to DriverPacks.net

Welcome to the testing team sir!

please find the previously hidden forum is now open to you.

Wayne,

Please remember that PE is NOT an OS, It's not windows.
It's an installation tool (and thanks to Bart also a repair tool) not an OS substitiute.

IF you want full blown windows performance you need to install windows.
for example mass storage drivers are the Text Mode drivers ONLY... (16 bit)
not the good PnP performance drivers, etc... PE will not reach the performance levels of the full OS, it can't.

You are not going to be able to play DOOM / Crysis from PE any more so than you could from safe mode. wink In fact you may have better luck from safemode big_smile You will be able to run a virus scan wink

be sure an mention the WLAN pack version you used wink

From your finisher log...

2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted the DriverPacks, which were located in "C:\D".
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted "C:\hwids.dat"!
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted "C:\DPsFnshr.ini"!
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted "C:\devcon.exe"!
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted "C:\makePNF.exe"!
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted "C:\pmtimer.exe"!
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted "C:\DSPdsblr.exe"!
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted "C:\mute.exe"!
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Deleted "C:\DriverPack_*.ini"!
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : <CLNP> Added new value to the RunOnce key in the registry: the DriverPacks Finisher itself will get deleted after the next reboot.
2009-12-07 16:50:51 : Program terminated.

Looks like it worked just fine...

did you reboot so in use files could be deleted too, (like the finisher itself)
- it is very important you reboot before checking! -

Did you verify the problem still exists when using DriverPacks BASE 8.12.5?

If you don't mind taking the risk... Please do, I just want you to be properly cautious!
The team works very hard to ensure RC and finals are as stable as possable.


Do you have the time and machines to test with?
If so perhaps testing team membership is in order...
At least then you would be "in the loop" wink

Thanks for helping us to help you!

Jeff

PS. No apology is necessary, you didn't do anything "bad", just risky.
As long as you are aware of the risks involved, and are prepared to handle them if they arise, then it's all good big_smile

that is the release candidate... it is preferred to the latest nightly smile wink big_smile

technically you have to be on the testing team to get support for nightlys.
The reason is if you are not on the testing team you cant read the related posts that go with the latest nightly.
Therefore you don't know what we are testing, or what the known issues are, or even what we changed or why.
Not that we are much on rules wink. the nightly server is not some big secret big_smile However, the Testing Team Forum is hidden from the public. It's just risky and definitely for non production machines - Testing Only. It's always better to go with RC (Release Candidates) or finals.
If the nightly were any good then we would make them release candidates - Please consider this for a moment...
The fact that they are nightly means they are either known to be broken, or assumed to be broken big_smile!

It's better because it is almost a final release... much much better !

It's better for us too, that way we know what to put in the next nightly.
If you find an issue we will invite you to try a specific nightly... one to address your issue wink big_smile
The best way to do it is to only use a nightly if you are invited to do so... Or if someone with a similar issue to yours is invited to try a specific nightly, and you tested that pack and reported back to that thread big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile!
(sometimes when we fix one we break another... its just to much of a risk if you don't know what the nightly is for, or who submitted it - perhaps it's a potential DriverPacks NT5 Packs Team, newbie's first crack at a nightly wink LOL).

We are not boneheads either many times the nightly are just fine, but why risk it?
We Know for a Fact the Released ones are ROCK SOLID!
and RC Versions are tested thousands of times and believed to be just as solid wink.

IE It's a no brainer if you are having issues with a nightly... We already know they are broken wink
( IDK why people think you can just drop some files in a pack and it's done... OMG... We wish!!! )

Have a great day, and thanks for your help - Reporting makes you part of the team too!

Yeah i still have to wake you up in the middle of the night with questions even after 3 months of intensive training.

RULE #1 I have down pat...
- "Forget everything you know about regualar windows" tongue

I added code tags for you wink
- you can edit your post to see how i did that, it helps keep the thread from getting too long on any one page big_smile.

I suspect that the finisher call, is not...  DPsFnshr.log wil be in %systemroot% (\Windows\DPsFnshr.log ?)
IF not then we know that your guirunonce call to the DriverPacks Finisher is failing wink

Are you editing the WinNT.sif (or anything else) after you slipstream the DriverPacks?

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(35 replies, posted in Windows 7 Discussion)

My daughter loves the new and improved "paint" best of all...

Now if they would only update mine sweeper LOL wink


I have to agree... Win7 is an upgrade from XP, I knew if we waited long enough they would get there!
I just hope they don't blow it up with a bad service pack big_smile.

The fact that they finaly released an OS that requires less RAM than it's predecessor really impressed me too.

However, it was probably not that tough to do,
I bet most of it was ripping the digital media licensing / copy protection BS, that MS was never able to sell any licenses for, out of the kernal . wink Of course they don't (and won't) admit that is what it is... ;P



Have you guys seen the new ads for win7 "I'm a PC, and Win7 was my idea!"   Well... Typical MS.

I shot them and email and told them - I am a PC and I need a new search engine with "Bling"...
Sigh...
Win7 it was my idea... - ** BUT I said "B-L-I-N-G"! not "B-I-N-G"!  ** - wink tongue LOL



I would however be very pleased to see a heck of a lot more of that "Less is More" attitude!!!

Are you using DriverPacks? What was /is the basic outline of your process to create your source?
What versions... are you slipstreaming win 2k? win xp? win 2k3? what Service pack? did you slipstream that SP with nLite? did you remove anything with nLite. Did you integrate any updates or hotfixes. Use RVMI or other updater w/ packages. What version of nLite? What version of DriverPacks BASE, DriverPacks used? and their versions? HWIDs? was DriverPacks the last step in your process? Are you installing from ODD? did you use M1 or M2? did you include any 3rd party DriverPack? Why have you not attached any logs? Both the DPs_BASE.log AND DPsFnshr.log are required for this... and will answer a few of the above questions.

Did you reboot the machine after the install and before you checked for \D\? (files can't be deleted when in use tongue)
How was the finisher called? did you use KTD?

Help us to help you... Details are the key.

[url=TinyURL.com/pqum87c]Read BEFORE you post.[/url] - Link in my signature

Examples given here...
Posting guidelines and forum rules.

we need to get the attention of the UBCD4win team...

cdob pops in here often... but i may cross post...

@ Erik - the layout of the inf is specific to PEBuilder (the main exe for Bartpe disc creation)

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(10 replies, posted in DriverPack Sound)

The search path used to find drivers is stored as a registry entry.
Unfortunately the path length (with all main and all 3rd party DriverPack) has reached the limit of a single registry entry in Win XP. (approximately 1 MB)

The work around is not to include too many packs at once, All of the main packs and a handful of 3rd party DriverPack works.
If you attempt to include them all you will exceed the 1 MB limit.

I have been trying to get everyone who contributes to be aware of this... Especially in the 3rd party DriverPack.

Many of the 3rd party DriverPack have huge path structures delete one or two packs of your choice and BAM it's fixed...
I would get rid of 3rd party DriverPack, not a main pack like graphics wink

One fix has been to use SAD to install the Third Party DriverPacks from guirunonce or runonceex.

thanks for reporting and welcome to DriverPacks!

1,691

(10 replies, posted in DriverPack Sound)

do me a favor please... Try it also without the 3rd party DriverPack s except language and Physx... TIA

1,692

(10 replies, posted in DriverPack Sound)

BASE 8.12.5 is newer than 9.02.0.1...
9.02.0.1 was an experiment in SysPrep that was abandoned... I should probably just delete it.

8.12.5 = fifth update to to 8.12 code
9.02.0.1 = Alpha / Beta - not released to public, not ever updated (.1), only supported for testing team (before it was abandoned).

BASE 8.12.5 was updated in June (making it technically 9.06.00 BUT since the upates were quite minor i elected to make 8.12.4 ~ 8.12.5 instead of a full revision#)

If you are not SPECIFICALY doing SYSPREP then don't even fool with 9.02
It has known bugs, and it's missing updates, that were only fixed in the 8.12.x series / branches of the code.

Again, the 9.02.0.1 (an attempt at sysprep) was abandoned...
mostly because Galapos Offline SysPrep works flawlessly.
No sense in reinventing the wheel wink.

you will have to move the graphic dependent 3rd party DriverPack to the primary install, from the SAD install wink

They are quite active over there... wink

I am subscibed to all the Hardware forums at ubcd4win wink
They just released an update about a month ago and are getting ready for another release...
I know this because i am going to have to unlock the sound drivers for the new release... (shhhh! its a secret)


jeff

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(16 replies, posted in Software)

the whole point is the hardware that is supported by XP directly is now five to ten years old.
No manufacturer is going to write updated drivers for ten year old hardware. wink
It just doesn't happen. two years is about the max... XP came out in 2003 or so?


example

Included driver... Soundblaster

last update by Creative labs was in 2000...
and there will not be another update for the Creative labs soundblaster card... Never Ever.

It is a very popular card. It will be found in LOTS and LOTS of old computers.

We are not going to add it to the sound packs... Never Ever....
BECAUSE IT IS included with windows. There is no update for it now...  and there never will be!!!

True it is a VERY OLD driver... but there is no newer one than the one provided by MS...
Even if there was, Who Cares?


If you decide against taking our advise and delete the soundblaster driver from windows with nLite-
then you give up ANY and all driver support for the soundblaster card... 
(sure you saved 10 kbytes, so what? It's not enough to matter...
you could save a lot more space deleting the Help files, and nowone will ever need those wink

another example

standard IDE driver... no updates never will be... If you delete the OS's included IDE driver then you have no IDE support.
NO... We are not going to add a standard IDE driver to the packs
BECAUSE IT IS included with windows. There is no update for it now...  and there never will be!!!
True it is a VERY OLD driver (perhaps 1995)... but there is no newer one than the one provided by MS...
Even if there was, Who Cares?




Who said anything about screws? - I said "HANG" it...

- pull the IDE and power cable off their CD ROM
- plug the IDE cable and power into your DVD. Set the DVD ROM on a small box or pile of books NEXT TO, OR ON the open cabinet.
- you don't have to actually INSTALL IT just "hang" it there for 30 min until the install is done wink using the existing CD ROM's cables.

Even if you include the time to open the cabinet... we are talking about ten seconds worth of work wink
Lets face it, If you are servicing the unit then you have to take the side off and check the CPU fan anyway, so really it's like two seconds work.


If someone does not have 20 bucks for a DVD they cant afford to have me fix their PC any way wink

I keep a couple extra in my car and in my truck and i have several in my office. I buy them five and ten at a time wink
In the old days I did the same for floppy drives wink

for 15 bucks you can get a USB to IDE cable (I always have one of those with me too)
If you think you can't get prices like these, then I infer you have never been to NewEgg.com or tigerdirect



Are you a computer tech as your primary profession?

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(16 replies, posted in Software)

Because the included drivers have not been updated for years... and probably are not going to be ever updated again wink

If they are updated it will be available as a MS update wink tongue 
That is to say that they are not outdated, just old.


look at it this way... if we add them to the packs they STILL take up just as much room on the cd... big_smile

Most of us gave up on CD's years ago... dvd or usb! 
If you have a computer so old it only has a cd you have three really good options...
1) install a DVD burner they are only 20 dollars and an upgrade to the customer and a $ervice for you. wink
2) hang a DVD burner they are only 20 dollars - you do have an extra one don't you. wink
3) install from USB DVD, or other USB device.

1,697

(16 replies, posted in Software)

mr_smartepants is correct... the DriverPacks are designed (intentionaly) to be ADDED TO the existing drivers.

If you remove included drivers from the OS then you WILL also remove support for the coresponding hardware devices.

Don't remove ANY included drivers. (PEBKAC may be to blame wink)

1,698

(3 replies, posted in Universal Imaging)

the usb boot setup was developed tested and initialy released at 911... years ago. smile  - I'd start there - also check with our good freinds at UBCD4Win perhaps an "all in one thumb" is in your future ??? 
[ No, I did not say you were all thumbs! wink ]


there are lots of copy cats wink  MS even tongue

if you legitimately obtain win7 as a download, you have an option to choose USB storage as install media big_smile

We don't need them big_smile

it's usually more work, we don't have enough help now wink

A second file with them in it is an idea,
are you volunteering wink.

Thanks for everything you do for us. you're my kind of hero sir!

the complicated solution does work...

there is no solution for 2k... it is a memory limit that is built into the kernal, exceeding it creates a fatal stop.
(since you're old like me, analogy: DOS, highmem, there is only so much high memory... and when it's gone, it's gone.)

the solution is not to exceed the limit... if you enable one you have to disable another. simple...
HINT: Disable a bunch you know that you are NEVER going to need.
- if you disable a wrong driver just uncomment it
   - IE delete the semi colon in txtsetup / dosnet and reburn
     Don't even need to re run DriverPacks BASE
     this feature allows you to easily enable and disable drivers with just notepad wink.