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(74 replies, posted in Other)

NutEdge wrote:

One way off topic question. Can you set up an unattended disk to work on 3 different home computers that each have their own different product keys or do you have to put in the product keys on each install making it not a true unattended install?

That's a tough question.
I have had a similar discussion on the German nlite forum and the general consensus was it's not possible.

I'm not so sure this is a final answer, however, it certainly does not work by simply adding three keys to your WINNT.SIF.

What I could image is that you create an exception for the finisher that would re-write the key to the registry after installation based on a specific hardware found only on one of the PCs (ie each one must provide at least one piece of HW that is unique).
Else I wouldn't know how to distinguish between the PCs.

What certainly does not work is auto-activation.
You either need to use a Corporate Edition of XP where you do not have to activate at all or you will have to do that manually after installation for each system.
You could, however, save the activation file and copy it over when you reinstall, but that requires exactly the same HW configuration.
Not entirely too practical.

Another idea is to simply use the same key for all three machines.
That's how it's most likely done in most businesses (obviously, if you have the Corporate Edition, you'd also make it fully unattended compatible).
After all, to legally use the OS, you only need to have a valid licence for each machine, and that is the only thing MS cares about.
You could even buy a licence without a CD and obtain that elsewhere, that wouldn't even be illegal.
Therefore, the key isn't what makes it legal, it's the licence - one for every machine.

However, unless you own a CE, MS will at least get suspicious on activation if the same key is used (obviously they couldn't know whether you own the licences or not...).
How you deal with that I cannot tell you, however, I have heared, using phone activation and answering "only one" to the questions on how many PCs you have installed will get your system properly activated.

Again, you NEED to own three licences for three PCs or this will be illegal.
If you do, it might be morally wrong but legally it should be ok.
Then again IANAL, so take this all with a grain of salt.

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(6 replies, posted in DriverPack Graphics)

Is it not supported by the CATALYST drivers?
I thought so because theyalso included the chipset drivers in that one.


If so, give these a try: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/ … _35179.exe


https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBA … ionID=1699

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(74 replies, posted in Other)

NutEdge wrote:

Again, once you intergrate drivers with the DriverPacks BASE you can no longer do anything to your source? (e.g. edit text, add or remove programs, add remove hotfixes etc). Does that mess something up?

You could, theoretically, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you are very sure.
At least, only do manual changes so you know exactly what you latered.
If you use nLite AFTER DP slipstream it will mess up files such as WINNT.SIF and the like, causing the whole unattended installation procedure to break.

Just make it a habit to do the DP slipstreaming as a last step and you shouldn't encounter any issues.
Or is there any specific reason why you'd want to do any of the above after integrating the drivers?

Another question..Does anyone make their own unattended source disk manually without using others program/tools? I just ask because I am trying to learn this and feel the only way to get a true understanding of what you are doing is do it yourself hands on.

I did, before I got around to using nLite which greatly speeds up the process.

If you need further info on that (you can also do the drivers manually but it's a real PITA), check out http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/
A really great guide and comes in three "difficulty" levels wink

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(74 replies, posted in Other)

khan wrote:

Then which format we should follow ?

Ist Using RVM Integrator for Update Patches + Addons
2nd Using NLite for Removing Unneeded Windows Components.
3rd Driver Packs Base for SlipStreaming Drivers.

Then we can again Point out the Updated WindowXP Source folder to Nlite for Making WinXP.ISO Image file....

Am I Right ?

Quite so.

Note how you can merge step 1 & 2 into one by slipstreaming RVM packs using nLite.

That's the way I do and it works perfectly smile

Hm, personally, I don't see the big advantage in this.

Also, take note that I HATE when games (taking them as an example since they happen to have large patches most of the time) only offer incremental updates/patches.
I like to DL the ver. 1.0-current all-in-one update so I can delete the old one and won't have to apply several patches in case of reinstall to get to current state.

The driver updates aren't that big if you are on broadband (granted, it's quite a pain on modem but I don't think you'd be bothering with the whole UWXPCD then (creating one on your machine, that is, obviuously you'd even more like to USE it as it means you have to DL less on the once installed OS).

Having only the latest FULL version up on the server (or at least lined to), is my understanding of KISS.
You download the package and you can be sure it's up-to-date.
Nothing worse than having a DL page with several versions that all need to be applied in a certain order (IL2, can you hear me?!).

What I would like is either have the BASE auto-DL the newer packages once detected (much like it does with the BASE file itself) or at least provide you with a clickable link to the file/the DL website.
That would be most welcome because as of now it only informs me of a new version - the same can be achieved by visiting this Forum, something I do more often than opening BASE smile

Using incremental updates, you'd have to integrate them into the larger DriverPacks somehow, unless you want to split those up (say one pack for each device).
That, however, would be most unpractical, as that would mean hundreds, if not thousands of packs - hard to keep track of IMO.
Integrating them into the larger packs means you have to uncompress that pack, replace/update the respective files and repack it.
That takes quite some time, as you'd have to use 7-Zip high compression methods to achieve small filesize, and the requires CPU power and not to forget lots of RAM.

For me, it takes less time to DL a full new pack than uncompressing and recompressing would.
This is only a solution for a fast, powerful PC with a slow internet connection.

So, unless you want to save Bâshrat the Sneaky some bandwidth I fail to see the real advantage of an incremental update approach.

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(13 replies, posted in Other)

fargo wrote:

The method in that thread includes makePNF.exe which throws tens of DSP popus. So, if running makePNF.exe is not necessary, then the method described here is better.

So, closeDSP.exe doesn't work then, or what?

I won't argue about which is better as that is somewhat subjective, however, having Windows adding the path as a defualt driver source certainly does have its advantages if you want to keep manual input at a minimum.

Yes, just DL the files and put them into the appropriate folder.
No need to extract anything, in fact you don't even need a program compatible with 7-ZIP files.

Just remember to put the official DriverPacks into \DriverPacks and any 3rd Party DriverPacks into \3rd party DriverPacks directory.

Make sure your SATA controller is supported by the MassStorage pack, slipstream it in Text Mode (improtant!) and post your HWIDs (follow Bâshrat the Sneaky's sing link).

twig123 wrote:

...can't it just be scripted to use IE settings for the proxy?

Yeah, that should be the preferred method (for any program actually) IMO.

Alright, I removed some more old copies.
Seeing as you cannot use them anymore because of the changed directory structure, no big loss I guess...

Try again, pls.

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(74 replies, posted in Other)

khan wrote:

1.7 GB with Or Without Windows [Total] ? smile

Just the drivers, of course.
Everything else qould be pointless since everyone's UWXPCD installation would look different (nLite'ed, add-on packs, add. software) smile

Still, seeing as you'll have a hard time finding a prebuilt consumer model with less than 100GB as of now, those 1.7% space for drivers are easy to bear IMO.
Should customers complain, try selling them another drive or tell them not to DL so much pr0n ;P

What I know is....
KTD ALL is a nice Option But I am sure that it will double the Windows Total Intallation Time...

jtdoom wrote:

Right now, that is true. (the selected files get copied, which takes time)
I hope Bâshrat the Sneaky will soon release a version where adding the KTD option will NOT add extra time.

Yeah, that version is already in the works, or so I think smile
Quite a welcome change, I can tell you!
(so far, applying KTD takes about as much time as installing XP+addons...)

Wonder where the next beta version is, it's been a while I tested one big_smile

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(13 replies, posted in Other)

fargo wrote:

@BST, will this method work in case Windows has already been installed using standard CDs, i.e. no DriverPacks were slipstreamed?

Well, IIIRC, your goal in this thread (http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?id=535) thread was to have Windows automatically detect the directory as a driver source.
That will only work with Bâshrat the Sneaky's method I guess.

With the CD of this thread you could only point it to search the CD for drivers.
Not sure what you prefer.

Trax wrote:

Looks that way smile now all i need is to find a driverpack for modems (silly people and there silly old ways)

Have a look at the 3rd Party Driver Packs Forum on the bottom of the main page.
You will find your pack there smile

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(74 replies, posted in Other)

khan wrote:

Just for Getting Information If i Install my Windows with KTD default and unexpectedly i have to change my AGP/SOUND card,then what will happen ?
Does it ask me for Putting Winxp CD in CD Rom...

Not sure what you mean by KTD default (the defualt setting is disabled, I think), but if the required drivers are onyour HDD through KTD Windows will include that folder as a source on its search for drivers so it should NOT ask for a XPCD.
(can't say for sure, as I haven't replaced any hardware so far but that's what I gathered wink).

KTD All Offcource will Put all the crazy Stuff on my Hardrive....:)

Crazy stuff as in drivers? wink
It doesn't take that much space to keep them (about 1.7GB for me including all official and 3rd party DriverPacks) so unless that's an older machine with a small HDD it shouldn't be a problem.
Saves you the trouble of having to reach for the driver disc or searching for the driver on the net next time you upgrade.
Though, obviously, it doesn't help with often updated driver such as for graphics cards...

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(13 replies, posted in Other)

Bâshrat the Sneaky wrote:
Trax wrote:

The slipstreamed version also runs into a lack of space to but i can do an overburn and take care of that. But the question is since it can be compressed into the slipstream can i just pull it out after its been placed in cabs and put just those cabs on a CD?

Yep, that's what I was explaining: I was telling you each step you should take to achieve that without having to do everything manually.

Jup, Bâshrat the Sneaky's method is exactly what you want, Trax.

Take note that Method 1 will actually CAB-compress the driver files (Method 2 uses the much more efficient but less compatible 7zip format).

Should that turn out to be more than what fits on a CD (you could always try buying one of these 99min/900MB discs), then maybe you should invest into that USB stick (1GB are rather cheap to get IMO) or an external USB HDD.

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(13 replies, posted in Other)

Hm, I  know this sounds abstract but how I would do it:

Since I have a DVD-RAM drive, that can be accessed just like a floppy in XP, so I'd use that.
Alternatively, you could use an external HDD or a large enough USB stick.

Before you install, make sure it's plugged into your system.
In the BASE settings, use a custom path for KTD ALL and set it to the appropriate device.
You could also use a second partition/drive and exchange drive letters with your DVD drive (if you want to copy the drivers on a CD/DVD).

There's probably an easier way and this does not leave you with CAB but rather uncompressed files, but this is as far as I can help you smile

Link:
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/dlh … o%20CODECs

DL:
ftp://202.65.194.18/pc/hda/alc880d/WDM_R145.zip
ftp://61.56.86.122/pc/hda/alc880d/WDM_R145.zip
ftp://152.104.238.194/pc/hda/alc880d/WDM_R145.zip

twig123 wrote:

I guess I dont understand why there would be a "refresh" button in the current build, if it wasn't going to try to detect new files... only on startup. But thanks for trying to update that in a future build smile

It's there to refresh to check whether new DriverPacks have been released in the meantime.

I guess you'd have to have BASE running for some time to ever have this occuring.

Then again, Bâshrat the Sneaky can be pretty fast releasing a new pack so it might have its use wink

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(74 replies, posted in Other)

khan wrote:

I want to ask one thing about Nlite utility,

Usually, the official nLite Fora would be the best place to ask, but seeing that a least I am making heavy use of it, I'll try to answer your question.

I am just pointing this out in case you might not find the desired answers here, NOT to tell you off.

Actually after integrating UpdatePacks + Addons , Removing Components i reach over Unattented Option...I Just Put my CD key and choose Full-unattented installation...
I Installed WindowsXp from the Windows folder On my Hardisk but it was again asking my for the key...I did not write the ISO on CD yet....

Please Tell me about Unattended setup of windowsxp.I Just want to Put the CD key inside Boxes...

So far, it has always worked for me, so double (or triple) check there is no error on your behalf (mistyped key).

Before using nLite, I would manually enter my key, also to great success.
You can do the same or at least verify what nLite did by opening the file WINNT.SIF in the I386 folder with your favourite text editor.

[UserData]
ProductKey = "XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX"

is how the proper entry has to look like (obviously you replace the Xs with your own key).

chewy wrote:

any ideas? or walkthroughs for this kind of thing if possible.

Since it was cutom-made by your fried, we can only guess what he did exactly.

Best way would be to ask him about it I figure wink

In any case, this CANNOT be achieved with a vanilla nLite AFAIK, so have a look for another program (did you inspect your friend's DVD already for any clues as to what app he used?).

niche99 wrote:

The DPsFnshr.log is the same as the one I posted previously. ie they contain the same information, no differencies except the time of logging.

That's impossible!

You will find that file in the root dir of the machine you installed your UWXPCD onto.

Please double-verify.

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(74 replies, posted in Other)

khan wrote:
Helmi wrote:

Also, make sure integrating the drivers is the very last step before making the ISO (which cannot be done with the DriverPacks BASE, yet).

Sorry,I don't understand this Line...Do you just mean that DBase.exe file can't make an ISO Image ? I know that...

Yes, that's what I meant.
However, if you are doing other things to your source (you mentioned somehotfixes), this always has to be done BEFORE applying th DriverPacks.
So using the BASE is the last step before making the ISO.

I can Do that with a Number of Softwarez...Making ISO image and CD writing is not a big deal....

Sure, but you need to include the bootimage somehow, else the CD won't be bootable.

What is Slipstream ? may be a dumb question....

Slipstream is what you call the integration of the SP1/2, the hotfixes or even the DriverPacks to your source CD.

DBase.exe can Automatically Integrate all those Drivers Pack in our Windowsxp Source code and making Entries in different files just to Inform Windowxp that there is a Huge Collection available to be check... Am i Right...

Absolutely correct.

WindowsXP will automatically search the appropirate Hardware drivers and Install it....???

Check.

Or I have to Configure any Manual setup...I don't want any Popup Or Configuration Screen after Windows Login Screen Comes,Becoz this way is quite Bad...All Packege should be as Microsoft Always Do with XP....

That's the whole point.
If there were any manual steps involved it wouldn't be a proper UWXPCD (Unattended WinXP CD).

OK....
I will Choose Option 2 with KTD ALL.....

Just as a sidenote:
KTD ALL will enable Windows to search in the DP drivers when you install new hardware after you've already installed Windows (eg new sound card).
Very handy if you change a lot of hardware, else you won't need it.
However, then, XP will only search in the MS supplied driver for the new hardware ignoring those that came with the DriverPacks.

The only downside is that it will take up a bit of HDD space.
Obviously it has to store those new drivers somewhere wink

khan wrote:

Which Integrator Do you Prefer for Integrating Hotfixes and Addons...

Nlite or RyanVM ?

Personally, I use nLite, because I need that anyway to slim my CD down.
Then I'm using nLite to integrate the German version of RyanVM (Sereby's Update Packs), hotfixes and addons.
You can do that with the Update Pack standalone, but since I have nLite running anyway, why not do it that way?
There's no difference in the ending result.

I actually Like to use RyanVM UpdatePacks and Addons,....But You guys looking discourage RyanVM integrator...

As I said, above, both methods are basically identical.
Use whatever you prefer.
If you use nLite anyway, just integrate the packs through that, saves you one step. smile

Does Your DriverPacks Compatible with WindowsXP PRE-Updated with RyanVMs Update Packs...?

In fact, as I stated previously, you NEED to integrate all updates and hotfixes BEFORE applying the DriverPacks.
So yes, it is compatible, in fact, it's the only way to do it, if you try it the other way round you will screw things up.

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(10 replies, posted in 3rd Party DriverPacks)

twig123 wrote:

What I noticed in the previous printer packs was that all of the setup.exe's and such were still with the pack.
The only files that are required will be listed under the "[SourceDisksFiles]" heading inside the driver inf file. Also the .CAT file needs to be kept for WHQL reasons, but us usually not listed under the above section.

I thought so, too, but when I create a printer "pack" for my HP LaserHet 1000 and included only those deemed relevant files it gave me an error asking for one of the EXEs during installation so I had to manually point it to my SMB directory where I luckily still had the4 extracted files.

So I would be careful about that statement.
Maybe I did make a mistake but I actually did look into the INF to find out the dependancys and IIRC there was no EXE listed...

You can, however, drop a lot of other files, in my case and included PDF manual etc.


EDIT: Forgot to mention:
HP does have a sort of AiO driver pack on their site already.
Unfortunately, it includes only PS5 printers (LaserJet), but not my model sad

Can't seem to find the link ATM though...

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(74 replies, posted in Other)

All you basically need is to use the BASE to slipstream the DriverPacks into your source.

There is no decumentation pre se, yet, however, all options are pretty self-explanatory.

Judging by your comments, the best thing for you to do is using Method 2 and KTD ALL.
QSC is only needed when creating more than one CD - to speed up things.
Finishing method is arbitrary as long asyou don't chose custom.

Just give it a try on a Virtual Machine (VMware) or Virtual PC (MSFT).

Also, make sure integrating the drivers is the very last step before making the ISO (which cannot be done with the DriverPacks BASE, yet).

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(2 replies, posted in Feature Requests)

Since I'm not sure whether you have noticed this yet, I will just post a link to the Read-Me of the DriverPacks:

http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/ … hipset.htm

I know this is alphabetically listed by device names, not folders and paths, but you could enter than into an Excel chart and do the sorting criteria yourself.

I know it does involve some work on your behalf but for the time being gets you where you want.

I assume that contains the same driver as my link, just in a self-installing EXE rather than a ZIP archive.
Or am I missing your point here?

As Bâshrat the Sneaky will have to extract the driver files anyway, a ZIP is perfectly fine, if not better (usually, you can also extract the EXEs easily, but sometimes it doesn't work).