Huh?
I guess you wanted to write that smartcard DP overlaps with MISC DP (and not smartcard itself) wink

Anyway, I guess the reason may lay with the different contributors.
If there's a lot of overlapping, the packs could be merged, IMO.
If you strip off the overlapping ones there may not be much left in one pack, I guess.

Attention, translators, there's a new entry that needs translation:

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(this is just an example, the German file has of course already been fixed wink)

Alright then, I did not check your pack before posting wink

If that's the case, we should remove the LCD pack then, unless you or someone else is also keeping that one current (it should contain the same LCD files as the Monitor pack, after all).

Good questions...

I got quite confused myself.
So far, I have simply been adding all of the packs to cover as many drivers as possible, taking potential overlapping and waste of space into account.

Per definitionem, Monitor should cover all visual user interfaces (those "glass tubes" are actually called CRTs - Cathode Ray Tubes, the pack should be renamed to that if it was only that and not LCDs, btw).

Maybe the creators of the actual packs could chime in and shed some light on that.
Otherwise, we will probably have to run a file comparison between packs, delete duplicates, then merge them into one pack (easier than splitting them up...).

By the size of the current Monitor pack, I guess it covers all, LCD and CRT alike.

I got the file, will put it on the official 3rd party DriverPack host now...


EDIT: Done, see first page for link.



Also, please do not use RS.com (especially if you are not a premium user, as it will only allow ten DL of the file before it gets blocked) for uploads or other OCHs.
We have the 3rd party DriverPack host for a reason wink

As I wrote in my last post, yes, we know this and it's fact and easy to understand (solid archive and all) - but we have reasons not to pack all drivers into one single archive.

You can do that all by yourself though, extract all DriverPacks and repack all files (also including .INIs) into one big 7z if you want to save space.
Just please leave DPMS alone smile

It's just not practical for DL.
Maybe it was if we offered xdelta files or somesuch... (so you really only DL those bytes that have changed within a given file)

Sooo, is this a REQuest or what...?

magon wrote:

Don`t forget about W2000 users

Dang, yes, I actually did... neutral

7-zip archiver gives better compression on similar files so i suggest to combine all ATI drivers into one Pack, nVidia into second and all others into third

We've already had numerous discussions about how splitting up the packs for the overall best.
The current method seemed the most logical to all of us because it splits HW by use, i.e., pack A has the most commonly updated cards (current ones), B all the business models (CAD etc) and C the legacy ones that are most likely never going to get updated driver ever again.
We figured, you may need only either of the packs really (but you can use all three, of course).
On old HW, you won't need A&B, on business PCs, you won't need A&C and on a gaming PC you won't need B&C.
Reason for this is if all drivers were to be placed into one pack, only a tiny update means you'll have to re-DL the whole bunch.
Some users are on a slower connection and we also don't want to have the server cap out (though unlikely).

You are of course more than welcome you repack the packs to your own liking.

Also I always repack all Graphics into one Pack with 64 or 128 MB dictionary size and never seen a large difference in Pack sizes smile

Well, that's probably because there is no such single file of nearly that size (apart maybe from DriverPacks packs with huge wavetables...).

Firstly, you can try 7-Zip (http://7-zip.org/).
It's Open-Source, free and much better than WinRAR, IMO.

Secondly, if that fails, there's always Universal Extractor (http://legroom.net/software/uniextract).

That can extract about 90% of all installers you may find.

If even that fails, the best idea is to simply clear out your whole %temp%, run the installer and grab any files placed in %temp% during that process.
That's usually the driver files you have been looking for.

If even that fails, you will have to install the driver on a machine that features the proper HW, then use Driver Grabber (http://www.siginetsoftware.com/forum/sh … d.php?t=34) on it to get the driver files.

Personally, I'd recommend at least 512 MB to run XP on, but 256 should be ok, if you don't do anything on it tongue

Anyway, I see 256 MB as the bare minimum (I think it's also the official one, below that XP will not let you install it unless you manually eidt the limit) so if we are going to change compression settings, we should not aim below that.
Anyone who is willing to run XP on less memory is either totally incompetent (unless it's the Embedded Edition maybe) or asking for pain.
In that case, we should not deny them that wink


Anyway, I just tried decompression the DriverPack Graphics A 812 myself and, according to the task manager, it only uses ~350 MB of memory (comparing before and during values)...
So I'm really not sure why our figures differ that much, magon.

This is with 7-Zip 4.62, btw.

magon wrote:

Helmi, look at last DP_Graphics !
DP_Graphics_B_wnt5_x86-32_812.7z  requires ~750MB to decompress
what size of dictionary is used?!

Are you really sure about that?

My figures come from what the 7-Zip GUI displays when you change compression modes, I always took those figures as accurate (also complies with personal experience when RAM required to compress exceeds system RAM so will will slow down considerably due to swapping, as you've also pointed out correctly).

If the packs really took that much to decompress, I would have certainly noted on my system, as I often unpack them to fiddle around with them.
My system only sports 1 GB of RAM, of which ~700 MB is in constant use already.
With a HDD that loud as mine (gonna exchange it soon anyhow) I definately notice when excessive swapping takes place wink
That has not been the case with decompressing any of the packs, yet.

The problem is not the 120 DPIs (I've been running this fine on 129 DPIs after all) but the fact that you changed the Windows GUI settings to display large or even extra large fonts.

Unfortunately, Windows does not properly support changing the font DPI settings in the GUI options.
It will lead to distorted (ie not properly resized) icons in the taskmanager, taskbar and desktop, among others, namely not properly scaling GUI windows to fit the larger fonts in.

The questionmarsk should actually be bullet points, maybe your locale doesn't support them?
("?" are a replacement for any codepage letters than cannot be displayed, it's lacking Unicode support of Autoit, maybe?)

Anyway, as the windows uses a fixed size, using larger fonts will naturally result in text being cut off.

May I ask what kind of display you use (inch-wise)?
Ususally, 120 DPI on an ordinary high-res display should still be easy on the eyes in terms of readability.

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SamLab wrote:

Merry Catholic Christmas!!! And waiting finals DriverPacks wink

Heh, it's not just Catholic but Protestant, too wink

When are you Orthodox having Christmas, btw?
Different calendar and all, I presume...


Anyway, Frohe Weihnachten!
big_smile

The amount of RAM needed to decompress is significantly lower than that required to compress!

A dictionary size of 64 MB requires mere 66 MB to decompress (there's a little overhead I guess) but 709 MB to compress.

The lowest-end machine I am using the DriverPacks on has 384 MB of memory in and it has yet to prompt a memory error during decompression.
512 MB of RAM should be more than enough - form my personal experiences, the minimum requirement does not lay at the 1 GB mark...

mr_smartepants wrote:

First post updated.

Maybe you should untick the "silent edit" option so users can actually see when the last edit took place directly in the first post smile

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Plus, XP 64bit is more of a technology demo than a finalized product.
Yes, you can buy it but it never really was supported by MS they way a "proper" OS should have been.

I guess, it was just a big field test by MS to get some 64bit experience before going to Vista or Server 2003.
This may also be the reason why there's hardly any drivers or manufacturer support for it.

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Nice to hear, you guys ROCK! big_smile

Hm, now that you mention it...

I never really tried w/o the special driver on my Habu, as I included it in my personal DP.
When I got the mouse, I installed the software immediately, only to find it too bloated and fancy.
So I just grabbed the driver files and included them on my install disc.

Guess I'll have to try w/o them to find out, however, using just the drivers files and no useless GUI, I can see no negative side-effects.

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Excellent news!

Are these compatible with Windows 7 by chance?
Looks like I'm skipping Vista as of now wink

Well, certain mice, while working fine with the default MS provided driver, feature enhanced capabilities that go beyond the scope of RMB, LMB, MMB and scroll wheel.
For these, you may need to use a special driver.
For instance, mine has a DPI quick selection button that can increase or decerase the sensitinity on the fly.
It's pretty useful because usually, I like a high responsiveness so I can traverse desktops faster, however, when using an image manipulating app, I want absolute precision and not have it skip a pixel so I turn it down then.
Pretty convenient if you switch often.

Of course, you won't notice any difference with some ordinary €15 mouse, so you may want to cut out on this pack.

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Stoner wrote:

4. So in you experience then would it be worth to me to just bin the drivers I have save for my lappy ones etc and just use the driverpacks?

Yeah, probably.
If it's really just this single machine, it shouldn't be too much effort to just install with the DriverPacks and no other drivers and see how it goes.
Any devices missing you can then report here and have the drivers added so on the next release of the DP in question, you'd be 100% covered.

After all, it's your time, but personally, it think it works faster going from there, maybe adding the missing pieces into your own 3rd party DriverPack (for until they get officially added).
Of course, it takes one test install on the machine you want to put it on for real, but that definately frees the space of these 50,000 drivers that you certainly do not need for only a single machine.

That said, if it's really just one, you may also consider using just the DPMS and prune all other packs of drivers you do not need or, once again, creating your own 3rd party DriverPack for these.
The DriverPacks were created with the intention in mind to have ONE XPCD/DVD that can be used to install on any machine you encounter (most likely large deployments as found in big companies that do not have a unified HW equipment or for tech support jobs).
It certainly is a bit of overkill for a single machine but if you do not mind the "wasted" space, it does not do any harm.

5. I have the autorun for the WPI so im toying with the idea of using that but will see how things are...

That's how I do it - using a seperate DVD for WPI (also means I can update that independantly).
As I always disable autorun, it's not much use for me, however, I do not mind placing the DVD in the drive, after all, you have to reboot the machine at least once anyway to finsih the process so I have to attended the machine anyhow.

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Stoner wrote:

When you say OEM sources do you mean somewhere like say driverguide.com?

No, we mean either HW manufacturer sites (e.g. intel.com, nvidia.com, amd.com etc.) or system manufacturers and assemblers (i.e. dell.com, hp.com etc.)

I have a few missing drivers which are for lappys but i have had to download one of them the Packard Bell site and the other I had to find a compatable one for my graphics card in my lappy.

Point out what they are and link to the DL site and they may be added.
Use the HWID tool in my sig to help you on this task.

Out of curiousity do you per chance have any idea on how many drivers that are in the packs? Would you say its over 50,000 or so?

Uh, no idea, you could check the driver listing on the main page for that.
Then again, a single driver may support numerous devices. so it depends on how you count.

Im asking since I have these seperate drivers which have 50,000 drivers in but if the driverpacks have 50,000 in then its a bit pointless me using these other drivers since all its doing is bulking up my XP DVD

Well, same numers do not necessarily mean same files.
It could just be 50,000 different files so adding them in would bring you to 100,00 total, or it could be the same files (that would be great because you could easily identify them using a file comparison/duplicate tool) or of differen versions (in that case, only the newer one would be installed so it doesn't hurt too much).

(due to me using the WPI)

You could always have WPI run from an HDD (USB drive maybe) or a network source or even a different DVD; even if that may mean a manual disc exchange.
As you could also install XP directly off a USB drive (http://www.msfn.org/board/Install-XP-from-USB-f157.html), space should not really be the issue, but I can understand that you want to cut down on duplicates (we also hate PCI ID duplicates wink).

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From now on, please do not post in the News forum unless you reply is directly related to such a news item.
Instead, pick one of the numerous sub-forums that best matches your topic and do not hesitate to open a new thread if there's none covering your intended topic.

Makes it easier for all of us.
Thanks!

Maybe you should give VirtualBox a try.

I was very fond of VirtualPC myself (liked it much better than VMWare) but VB has been coming along quite nicely.
As an industry's first, they even added support for 64bit guests on 32bit hosts and 3D support for OGL in the latest version (2.10)!
That's really something to long for in a VM, IMO!

otterboy43 wrote:

I am actually following an article in PC World magazine(Nov 2008) and it didn't make it clear that the driverpack files should be moved in their .7z state.

OverFlow wrote:

wow i didn't know we were in there...

In any case, we should drop them an email hinting that they'd best read the tut themselves before they go about telling others how to use the DriverPacks wink

It would only help making their readers understand...


Nice to hear about having made it into a printed paper mag, though!