Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

the reasons were given. Your points are not even worth considering when you are pulling 99% of your statistics out of your @ss  We still have more than 5% users for 2000  - by your metric that could not possbly be - who would even consider using a 7 year old os when vista is out??? - OMG! not to mention the thousands of users still on windows 98 almost ten years now after it was on teh way out..

You are not a donor. You are not a team member. you ARE either drunk or a teenager.
It's awfuly easy to sit on the side lines and bad mouth the home team.  especialy when your not on the field. You are acting like my 7 year old when denied an ice cream cone, please grow up, and reread this thread.

Drivers for Vista WILL happen when its needed and feasible, right now its neither and it probably won't be any time soon since 64 bit drivers for XP and 2003 probably will be added before vista support.

The last two posts I answered were from users who were dumping the Vista that came preinstalled on thier laptops in order to load XP.

No matter what you do, or how hard you try, or whatever excuse you come up with, or how much you hate it THESE FACTS kinda shoot down your whole argument.

Last edited by OverFlow (2007-04-22 13:04:41)

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

raymerjacque wrote:

none the less.

No matter what you do, or how hard you try, or whatever excuse you come up with, or how much you hate it, anyway you look at it, VISTA IS HERE NOW, there is nothing you can do to stop it from taking over the market or making it's place in the world, XP IS ON IT'S WAY OUT, and there is nothing you can do to stop it either, by the end of this year vista will be the main operating system in use by the general public, especialy when vista sp1 is launched, those that have not bought are waiting for the compatibility and bug fix patch IE sp1. by the end of the year you will have lost 80% of your users here on this board because only a handfull will be living in the past .....

besides, i don't understand the harm in making a framework for vista ? , is it laziness or lack of the operating system knowledge ? . does it not make sense to make a framework so long so that the users like me can start working on driverpacks ?

and please if you give objections then give some valid arguements, not just "vista sucks" bla bla bla crap.

I would be happy to start working on support for vista drivers, BUT....

1) How long will it be before there are enough drivers released to even call it a "Driverpack"?
2) How is this request any different then all the requests for a continued Windows 98 update pack?
3) Do you have any idea HOW MANY PC's are still running Windows 98?
4) Someone donates a full licensed copy of Vista for me to work with, learn from.
4b) Do you think my 5 year old AMD SLOT A 750 will even boot Vista? (NO)
4c) The donated copy of Vista needs to come installed on a machine that will RUN Vista.

WHEN MS releases the first Servicepack, What makes you think they will not change the way driver loading is setup and invalidate all the work done on a new OS in it's infancy.

I've already had my PM box flodded on 2 forums with requests for Vista support for pebuilder, which will be at least a year down the road, if anyone is actually still using Vista at that point???

Remember what came before XP & after W98?... Thats right, Windows ME (Mistake Edition).

There were so many people posting just like you are now about how it was the best thing since sliced bread, yet now, anyone with a brain who got stuck using Windows ME, have either upgraded to XP, or dropped back down to W98, which despite the lack of support is still being used on hundreds of thousands of computers worldwide.

You used 2009 as the year Vista will be KING??? Still Agree???

My favorite Read so far was nick-named "The longest Suicide note in history" which is an outline of Vista's DRM crap, which has been met with so much resistance, that MS is already changing the way it works and the ELUA based on the fact that every major corporation on the world said NO NO NO, we are not switching no matter how cheap you sell us a stie license for.

MANY, and I do mean MANY corporations are still useing Windows 2000 in the infrastructure, because it is as solid as a rock. period. They have not even switched to 2k3 yet, so what is it that makes you think Vista will not simply be another giant flop from Microsoft?

DISCLAINER: I represent no one, This is my opinion alone and means no more then yours does. Everyone is welcomed to there opinions, but lashing out at others because you dont like what you hear will only get more responces just like this one.

I've not tried Vista, Will not try Vista, Have no machine that will even run vista. I still have a multiboot option to load Windows 98 (did you guess that?) because I've got some really nice hardware that never got supported in XP, which is the same thing MS has done again with vista, left out a lot of hardware that is really good, but old enought that no one will be spending the money to re-construct new drivers for Vista to support 5 year old hardware.

Last edited by hilander999 (2007-04-23 13:33:00)

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

any news about vista support? for example there is no driver for my nvidia 8800 inside the iso and i love it to have an easy installation big_smile

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

After we get the 64 bit drivers for XP and 2003
which we havent even started yet - my guess is 2008
or if hilander is right and vista flops like ME did then never

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

lol, OverFlow tongue He's just kidding, hanschke wink

64-bit drivers for XP and 2003 are pretty much useless if nobody is using that... there's maybe 0.01% of the market using that, so we should just ignore them. It's only in the HPC and gaming sectors that it's used more widely. Vista is our next aim.

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

Hi,

I've been a somewhat long time reader from Bâshrat's work and it has always inspired me to actually want to understand what is underneath the hood of these OS's.

Vista, Vienna or XP make no difference on my opinion about this matter - the important discussion here should be wich approach to follow since there is the chance to re-define and test new methods with enough gathered experience from XP/2003 to make them flexible enough to survive this OS and the next ones to come.

There have already been some experiments and programs to work on Vista as you can see here:
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/Driver- … t1005.html

The author also mentions he gathered himself around 2Gb worth of drivers thought I'm sure that much of this claim needs to be carefully debugged.


I expect to be devoting a lot of time to this matter soon enough - also hope to help this community go forward and provide growing support for Vista and XP.


Count me in for sharing any advances, feedback and having some fun collecting driver packs.



Hilander, you don't need a full licensed/activated copy to use Vista - there's a trial period for wich you don't need to enter any serial key, and seriously - aren't you even curious to see how it looks like? wink


There's also the newer WinPE 2.0 wich works on the same development environment you use for ubcd4win - requiring no license activation at all - memory resources are also not a limitation beyond our control. PE 2.0 has some nifty features but it's still pretty much the same OS we two know back from WinPE 1.x/XP PE and doesn't even have to be exclusively loaded onto RAM. If needed, it's even possible to further slim this boot disk to a 31MB ISO - I've first started using PE 2 on a PIII with 256Mb RAM wich ran just fine..

smile

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

Diver/hotfix slipstreamer for Vista 32

$j_map0 = @ScriptDir
$j_map1 = "C:\Program Files\Windows AIK\Tools\x86"
$j_map2 = "C:\Program Files\Windows AIK\Tools\PETools"
$j_map3 = "C:\Program Files\Windows AIK\Tools\x86\Servicing"
$j_map4 = "C:\Windows\System32"
$j_map5 = $j_map0 & "\Bin"

$j_tool1 = "Imagex.exe"
$j_tool2 = "Peimg.exe"
$j_tool3 = "Pkgmgr.exe"
$j_tool4 = "Expand.exe"
$j_tool5 = "Cdimage.exe"
$j_tool6 = "Boot.bin"


$j_map_source = ""
$j_map_mount = ""
$j_map_hotfix = ""
$j_map_drivers = ""

If Not FileExists($j_map1 & "\" & $j_tool1) Then
    MsgBox(0, "Error", $j_tool1 & " not found.")
    Exit    
EndIf
If Not FileExists($j_map2 & "\" & $j_tool2) Then
    MsgBox(0, "Error", $j_tool2 & " not found.")
    Exit    
EndIf
If Not FileExists($j_map3 & "\" & $j_tool3) Then
    MsgBox(0, "Error", $j_tool3 & " not found.")
    Exit    
EndIf
If Not FileExists($j_map4 & "\" & $j_tool4) Then
    MsgBox(0, "Error", $j_tool4 & " not found.")
    Exit    
EndIf
If Not FileExists($j_map5 & "\" & $j_tool5) Then
    MsgBox(0, "Error", $j_tool5 & " not found.")
    Exit    
EndIf
If Not FileExists($j_map5 & "\" & $j_tool6) Then
    MsgBox(0, "Error", $j_tool6 & " not found.")
    Exit    
EndIf

If FileExists($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini") Then
    $j_map_source  = IniRead($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini", "CONFIG", "SOURCE", "")
    $j_map_mount   = IniRead($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini", "CONFIG", "MOUNT", "")
    $j_map_hotfix  = IniRead($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini", "CONFIG", "HOTFIX", "")
    $j_map_drivers = IniRead($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini", "CONFIG", "DRIVERS", "")
EndIf

#include <GUIConstants.au3>

GUICreate("AUTO-INTEGRATE", 400, 600, -1, -1, -1, -1)
GUISetState (@SW_SHOW)

GUICtrlCreateLabel ("Location of Vista on HardDrive",  10, 30, 350, 20)
$j_input_source = GUICtrlCreateInput ($j_map_source, 10,  50, 350, 20)
$j_input_source_button = GUICtrlCreateButton ("Select / Change",  10, 75, 100)
GUICtrlCreateLabel ("Use Image Nr.",  130, 75, 70, 20)
$j_combo_imagenr = GUICtrlCreateCombo("1", 210,75, 40, 20)
GUICtrlSetData(-1,"2|3|4|5|6|7")

GUICtrlCreateLabel ("Location of folder MOUNT",  10, 120, 350, 20)
$j_input_mount = GUICtrlCreateInput ($j_map_mount, 10,  140, 350, 20)
$j_input_mount_button = GUICtrlCreateButton ("Select / Change",  10, 165, 100)

GUICtrlCreateLabel ("Location of folder with Hotfix (*.msu / *.cab)",  10, 210, 350, 20)
$j_input_hotfix = GUICtrlCreateInput ($j_map_hotfix, 10,  230, 350, 20)
$j_input_hotfix_button = GUICtrlCreateButton ("Select / Change",  10, 255, 100)

GUICtrlCreateLabel ("Location of folder with Drivers",  10, 300, 350, 20)
$j_input_drivers = GUICtrlCreateInput ($j_map_drivers, 10,  320, 350, 20)
$j_input_drivers_button = GUICtrlCreateButton ("Select / Change",  10, 345, 100)

$j_check_mountrw = GUICtrlCreateCheckbox ("Mount-RW", 10, 400, 350, 20)
$j_check_hotfix = GUICtrlCreateCheckbox ("Integrate Hotfix", 10, 425, 350, 20)
$j_check_drivers = GUICtrlCreateCheckbox ("Integrate Drivers", 10, 450, 350, 20)
$j_check_unmountcommit = GUICtrlCreateCheckbox ("Unmount-Commit", 10, 475, 350, 20)
$j_check_unmountdispose = GUICtrlCreateCheckbox ("Unmount-Dispose", 10, 500, 350, 20)
$j_check_iso = GUICtrlCreateCheckbox ("Make ISO", 10, 525, 350, 20)

$j_start_button = GUICtrlCreateButton ("Start",  10, 555, 100)

; Run the GUI until the dialog is closed
While 1
    $msg = GUIGetMsg()
    
    If $msg = $GUI_EVENT_CLOSE Then ExitLoop        
        
    ;-- Button SELECT/CHANGE paths
    ;-----------------------------
    If $msg = $j_input_source_button Then
        $var = FileSelectFolder("Location of Vista on HardDrive", "")
        GUICtrlSetData($j_input_source, $var)
    EndIf
    If $msg = $j_input_mount_button Then
        $var = FileSelectFolder("Location of folder MOUNT", "")
        GUICtrlSetData($j_input_mount, $var)
    EndIf
    If $msg = $j_input_hotfix_button Then
        $var = FileSelectFolder("Location of folder with Hotfix (*.msu)", "")
        GUICtrlSetData($j_input_hotfix, $var)
    EndIf
    If $msg = $j_input_drivers_button Then
        $var = FileSelectFolder("Location of folder with Drivers", "")
        GUICtrlSetData($j_input_drivers, $var)
    EndIf
    
    ;-- Button START
    ;---------------
    If $msg = $j_start_button Then
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_input_source)
        If $var = "" Then
            MsgBox(0, "Error", "SELECT - Location of Vista on HardDrive")
            ContinueLoop
        EndIf
        $j_map_source = $var
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_input_mount)
        If $var = "" Then
            MsgBox(0, "Error", "SELECT - Location of folder MOUNT")
            ContinueLoop
        EndIf
        $j_map_mount = $var
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_check_hotfix)
        If $var = 1 Then
            $var = GUICtrlRead($j_input_hotfix)
            If $var = "" Then
                MsgBox(0, "Error", "SELECT - Location of folder with Hotfix (*.msu / *.cab)")
                ContinueLoop
            EndIf
            $j_map_hotfix = $var
        EndIf        
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_check_drivers)
        If $var = 1 Then
            $var = GUICtrlRead($j_input_drivers)
            If $var = "" Then
                MsgBox(0, "Error", "SELECT - Location of folder with Drivers")
                ContinueLoop
            EndIf
            $j_map_drivers = $var
        EndIf        
        
        IniWrite($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini", "CONFIG", "SOURCE", $j_map_source)
        IniWrite($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini", "CONFIG", "MOUNT", $j_map_mount)
        IniWrite($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini", "CONFIG", "HOTFIX", $j_map_hotfix)
        IniWrite($j_map0 & "\AUTO-INTEGRATE.ini", "CONFIG", "DRIVERS", $j_map_drivers)
        
        If Not FileExists($j_map_source & "\SOURCES\INSTALL.WIM") Then
            MsgBox(0, "Error", "Cannot find : " & $j_map_source & "\SOURCES\INSTALL.WIM")
            ContinueLoop
        EndIf
                
        $j_imagenr = GUICtrlRead($j_combo_imagenr)
        
        ;-- Do MOUNT-RW
        ;--------------
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_check_mountrw)
        If $var = 1 Then
            $var = DirGetSize($j_map_mount)
            If $var > 0 Then
                MsgBox(0, "Error", "Already Mounted")
            Else
                RunWait($j_map1 & "\" & $j_tool1 & " /MOUNTRW " & $j_map_source & "\SOURCES\INSTALL.WIM " & $j_imagenr & " " & $j_map_mount, $j_map1)
            EndIf            
        EndIf
        
        ;-- Do HOTFIX
        ;------------
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_check_hotfix)
        If $var = 1 Then
            DirRemove($j_map_hotfix & "\Temp1", 1)
            DirRemove($j_map_hotfix & "\Temp2", 1)
            DirCreate($j_map_hotfix & "\Temp1")
            DirCreate($j_map_hotfix & "\Temp2")
        
            RunWait($j_map4 & "\" & $j_tool4 & " " & $j_map_hotfix & "\*.msu " & $j_map_hotfix & "\Temp1", $j_map4)
            FileMove($j_map_hotfix & "\Temp1\*KB*.cab", $j_map_hotfix & "\Temp2")
            FileCopy($j_map_hotfix & "\*.cab", $j_map_hotfix & "\Temp2", 1)
            DirRemove($j_map_hotfix & "\Temp1", 1)
            
            $search = FileFindFirstFile($j_map_hotfix & "\Temp2\*.cab")  
            While 1
                $file = FileFindNextFile($search)
                If @error Then ExitLoop
                RunWait($j_map2 & "\" & $j_tool2 & " " & $j_map_mount & " /import=" & $j_map_hotfix & "\Temp2\" & $file, $j_map2)
            WEnd
            FileClose($search)
            RunWait($j_map2 & "\" & $j_tool2 & " /install=* " & $j_map_mount, $j_map2)
            DirRemove($j_map_hotfix & "\Temp2", 1)
        EndIf
        
        ;-- Do DRIVERS
        ;-------------
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_check_drivers)
        If $var = 1 Then    
            If FileExists($j_map_source & "\Drivers.xml") Then
                Runwait($j_map3 & "\" & $j_tool3 & " /o:" & $j_map_mount & ";" & $j_map_mount & "\Windows /n:" & $j_map_source & "\Drivers.xml /l:" & $j_map0 & "\Driverlog.txt", $j_map3)
            Else
                MsgBox(0, "Error", $j_map_source & "\Drivers.xml -- Not Found - Skipping Drivers")
            EndIf
        EndIf
        
        ;-- Do UNMOUNT-COMMIT
        ;--------------------
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_check_unmountcommit)
        If $var = 1 Then
            $var = DirGetSize($j_map_mount)
            If $var = 0 Then    
                MsgBox(0, "Error", "Not Mounted")
            Else
                RunWait($j_map1 & "\" & $j_tool1 & " /UNMOUNT /COMMIT " & $j_map_mount, $j_map1)
            EndIf
        EndIf
        
        ;-- Do UNMOUNT-DISPOSE
        ;--------------------
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_check_unmountdispose)
        If $var = 1 Then    
            $var = DirGetSize($j_map_mount)
            If $var = 0 Then
                MsgBox(0, "Error", "Not Mounted")
            Else
                RunWait($j_map1 & "\" & $j_tool1 & " /UNMOUNT " & $j_map_mount, $j_map1)
            EndIf        
         EndIf
        
        ;-- Do MAKE IMAGE ISO
        ;--------------------
        $var = GUICtrlRead($j_check_iso)
        If $var = 1 Then
            If FileExists($j_map0 & "\VISTA-DVD.ISO") Then
                FileDelete($j_map0 & "\VISTA-DVD.ISO")
            EndIf
            RunWait($j_map5 & "\" & $j_tool5 & " -t11/02/2006,12:00:00 -lLRMCFRE_EN_DVD -b" & $j_map5 & "\" & $j_tool6 & " -u2 -h -k -m -o " & $j_map_source & " " & $j_map0 & "\VISTA-DVD.ISO", $j_map0)
        EndIf
        
    EndIf
    
Wend

A friend made tis for me in autoit.

http://rapidshare.com/files/27797464/VI … S.rar.html

Last edited by muiz (2007-05-04 03:32:55)

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

@ muiz - i guess its done then - lol

- thanks Bâshrat the Sneaky i guess i missed the tongue in his post

Last edited by OverFlow (2007-05-04 05:34:58)

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

I got intrigued and did some looking around for some stats that weren't just pulled out of thin air.

http://www.seopher.com/articles/operati … a_forecast

How things look currently
Last month (November 2006) the market looked as below:

WinXP     W2000     Win98     WinNT     W2003     Linux     Mac       
74.9%       8.0%      1.0%       0.4%       1.8%     3.3%     3.5%     



http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/May/os.php

     
OS Stats
Sun Apr 1 00:01:01 2007 - Mon Apr 30 23:58:00 2007   30.0 Days     

1. Windows XP            62906825     (82%)       
2. Win 2000                  4840441      (6%)       
3. Mac                          3280936      (4%)       
4. Win 98                      2012642      (2%)       
5. Win NT                      1742648      (2%)       
6. Unknown                   1004756      (1%)       
7. Linux                          337120      (0%)       
8. Win 3.x                        79696      (0%)       
9. Unix                            30412      (0%)       
10. Win 95                       26111      (0%)       
11. WebTV                       17982      (0%)       
12. Windows ME                 1819      (0%)       
13. OS/2                           1337      (0%)       
14. Windows Vista                 46      (0%)       
15. Amiga                             41      (0%)     
     

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

OS Platform Statistics
Windows XP is the most popular operating system. The windows family counts for nearly 90%:

2007           WinXP    W2000    Win98    Vista    W2003    Linux      Mac       
March          76.7%     7.2%     0.8%     1.9%     1.9%     3.4%     3.6%       
February      76.1%     7.4%     0.8%     1.2%     1.9%     3.5%     3.8%       
January        76.1%     7.7%     0.9%     0.6%     1.9%     3.6%     3.8%       

2006              WinXP    W2000    Win98    WinNT  W2003    Linux      Mac       
December       75.7%     7.9%     0.9%     0.2%     1.9%     3.6%     3.8%       
November       74.9%     8.0%     1.0%     0.3%     1.9%     3.5%     3.6%       
October          74.6%     8.9%     1.2%     0.3%     2.0%     3.5%     3.6%       
September      74.6%     9.2%     1.4%     0.3%     2.0%     3.5%     3.6%       
August            74.4%     10.1%    1.4%     0.3%     2.1%     3.5%     3.6%       
July                74.3%     10.1%    1.5%     0.3%     2.0%     3.4%     3.6%       
June               74.1%     10.6%    1.6%     0.3%     2.0%     3.4%     3.6%       
May               74.2%     10.7%    1.6%     0.2%     2.0%     3.4%     3.6%       
April              74.0%     11.2%    1.8%     0.3%     1.9%     3.3%     3.6%       
March            72.9%     11.9%    2.0%     0.3%     1.8%     3.4%     3.5%       
February        73.3%     12.3%    2.1%     0.3%     1.8%     3.4%     3.6%       
January         72.3%     13.1%    2.4%     0.3%     1.7%     3.3%     3.5     

Browser Statistics Month by Month

2007             IE7          IE6       IE5           Fx       Moz          S          O       
March        18.0%     38.7%     2.0%     31.8%     1.3%     1.7%     1.6%       
February    16.4%     39.8%     2.5%     31.2%     1.4%     1.7%     1.5%       
January     13.3%     42.3%     3.0%     31.0%     1.5%     1.7%     1.5%     



so it looks like you guys might be right Vista users have tripled since january!

of course 3 x .6 is still less than 2%   which means about as many people are useing Vista as are still useing Windows 98

and one site reported 62,000,000 million users for XP  - 2,000,000 million for 98  and  46  (4 dozen)  for Vista.
(heck even win 95 still had 26,000 thousand users (although it puzzels me they even got on the net smile ))
I'm still with hilander we can wait till sp1 is out for Vista (after they are are done being sued by Lucent and the DRM gets flushed down the toilet.) and they have to totaly rewrite the core / kernel and have a 600 meg patch. 

ROFL

I would like to point out here I have hated the initial release of every windows operating system that ever came out
and yes I mean starting with windows  (before it even had a version) nov of 1983 - tried it - hated it - used dos 2 instead

(I long for the simplicity of dos 3.3)

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

The golden rule of software:
Never buy version x.0 of anything.
smile

Nice research Overflow.

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

can i care to dis-agree to this topic

oke here goes the arguments..
its been quite a while sins i last visited these forums, mainly mos of my pc are linux based now-a-days, but im still  interested in running BTSDP for 'clients' who still use windows based..  for older pc's (below 1,5ghz and 512mb ram) i still tend to install windows 2000 with a whole bunch of Opensource Alternatives to windows programme's ,  just for this reason its verry usefull stil to have  DriverPacks at hand..  and even still  in my honest opinion there is still mutch that might be
possibly improved

for example maybe:  smaller, and more specific - driverpacks  - or more os specific driverpacks  (removing files for 9x 2000 if installed to an xp target or stuf like that),   

the Bâshrat the Sneaky way has be verry mutch improved,  for the  windows NT 5 (2k / xp / 2k3) 
generation of windows...and we should NOT in any way want to F*ck that up .....

Vista is a complete new system that is WAY diferent in setup and the installer proces has evolved into an entirely diferent thing...  and i care to ask if its even wise to try and do the same to the vista installer to what we did in xp (method 2),

That is why i suggest investigating the vista install process verry thoroughly befor ever thinking about the way to extend its driversupport... as it may well be virtualy  a world of diference with xp...

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

I'm not thinking that you did  disagree - i think you agreed :-P

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

It doesnt matter if you like Vista or you dont.
The fact is : its there
So we cant just ignore that.

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

millenium edition is there too.... but...

I'm reverting yet another laptop loaded with Vista to XP for a customer that just hates Vista.

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

OverFlow wrote:

I'm reverting yet another laptop loaded with Vista to XP for a customer that just hates Vista.

Get used to it...I've reverted two laptops this week.  smile
It's a trend...one that M$ won't like.

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

Hi,
I guess not.
The OEM licence was paid, and XP was paid, so even if this XP was a recuperated "NON"-branded OEM, they do not suffer a dime.

The answer was 42?
Kind regards, Jaak.

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

jtdoom wrote:

they do not suffer a dime.

Maybe not, but M$ still hates the fact that Vista is not making the impact in the marketplace that they were anticipating.  The 'acceptance' numbers we're seeing in the media are combined retail/OEM/upgrade/express-upgrade numbers (OEM can be discounted based on the numbers of users reverting back to XP) and I can almost guarantee that those numbers are inflated or rounded off to the nearest million.
big_smile

On licensing: I found this VERY interesting reading.
From M$ own download page (word doc):
http://download.microsoft.com/download/ … _chart.doc

Can I downgrade my OEM version of Windows Vista Business to Windows XP Professional?

Yes. OEM downgrade rights for desktop PC operating systems apply to Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate as stated in the License Terms. Please note, OEM downgrade versions of Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate are limited to Windows XP Professional (including Windows XP Tablet PC Edition and Windows XP x64 Edition). End users can use the following media for their downgrade: Volume Licensing media (provided the end user has a Volume Licensing agreement), retail (FPP), or system builder hologram CD (provided the software is acquired in accordance with the Microsoft OEM System Builder License). Use of the downgraded operating system is governed by the Windows Vista Business License Terms, and the end user cannot use both the downgrade operating system and Windows Vista Business. There are no downgrade rights granted for Windows Vista Home Basic or Windows Vista Home Premium.

So basically, if you get Vista Business/Ultimate, your vista license INCLUDES a license to revert to XP, but the user would be responsible for providing their own XP install media (VLK, retail, OEM).

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

well 30.000 drivers now and in a year from now, there will be  3 new cpu's   probable also about 5 new  lan and wlan chipset (to even be able to get to windows update youll need those).   a whole lot of storage chipsets for  sata and raid 

within its lifespan vista WILL need driverpacks...
and it will need lots of them. 
there is not a single doupt about it..

my other posts merely state that i dis agree to  Driverpack Base   being vista compatible..   vista just has a verry diferent setup systeem with lots of new tricks and pulls, 

i state that there SHOULD be a Vista version of the Driverpacks ...
but i should be for vista and vista only  and it should be based on tricks that are as native to vista as possible  preferable with as little hacks (and hacked files) as possible..

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

@-I-: The BASE was designed from the ground up to be so modular that it could support slipstreaming into ANY kind of installation for ANY version of Windows (at least any version AutoIt works under). Currently supported slipstream platforms for wnt5_x86-32: disc (the most well-known), multibootDisc and BartPE. Support for Vista is OBVIOUSLY something completely different, but it should be put in the same software, as another slipstream module.

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

For Vista you'll have to change the WIM image - so it'll be a different approach for sure, but should be good fun. smile

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

lightsout, are you ready for some AutoIt programming?

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

I already posted a slipstreamer in autoit here, ofcourse this can be done better, but its a start.
I also saw more of tools like this on the net, wich i wont spam here.
We will make our own here?

wont we??? tongue

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

Yes we certainly will!!!!!

No doubt about it

and your right it is mostly done - as posted above
adding will not be tough at all

I could do it in a day.
if i borrowed most of the code and gave some cudos to the authors.

I really am waiting for SP1 before I dive in I'm just trying to not have to do it twice. but since it' mostly done already.... just have to create a GUI page profile (some would exist like the update page) and add a module. its a couple of folders and files and the roughdraft above as a template for the new module

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Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

Vista sux!  Haha... J/K.  I am sure there will be driverpacks made for vista eventually.  Just like my RVM Integrator will do vista stuff eventually.  It is not an easy task.  Vista's core is quite different... not that there was a point in the changes microsoft made... because they really didn't add much new stuff to vista but looks.  You are right... no matter what we do Vista is taking over... and I am sure by sp1 it will be awsome.  Vista support in the driverpacks won't happen until the developers force themselves to use vista and develope in a vista environment.  I have allready begun coding the RVM Integrator to work in a vista environment... but I haven't started adding support for integrating to Vista media.

Don't worry... it will happen.  But let's perfect XP DriverPacks and BartPE first. wink  We're almost there as it is.

Re: OPEN: Windows Vista support [APPROVED]

Bâshrat the Sneaky wrote:

lightsout, are you ready for some AutoIt programming?

I've used AutoIT to automate software installation, but I could give it a go.

The main thing is working out exactly how to insert drivers into the image.