hpt37x is supported natively in 2003.
http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic. … 094#p19094

Hi,
I figure you rolled back to XP from a custom OEM vista?

you gonna have to reread replies.

jeesh, 37x.. Highpoint?

not via, but same problem.
SP3 has changed support to highpoint.
OverFlow once wrote a exception and later on, in testpacks, it got diluted or abandoned.

What this means is this.. DriverPacks cannot (I think) determine whether or not you run Sp1 or SP3, and the only workaround is to either drop (comment/delete) the (affected) driver for 37x, or to drop the affected drivers and the INI sections altogether (and add the non-natively supported working driver in a folder usable for DPinst tool.)

Samlab has reported this over and over for VIA, and I think he has no fixed fix.
Neither do I.
SamLab is Russian, and I hope he takes lessons in English. He is a sharp shooter and finds problems, but he gets misunderstood, or not understood at times. (We are an international bunch, and we better learn that 'on line translate' is not the better tool?)

edit; oops; Via is NOT Highpoint brand.. a Highpoint controller Can have a rebranded Via chip, but so can adaptec.
(I was writing from the top of my head.. thinking 370 is Via..)

Hi, SP3 integrated XP will conflict to VIA 370, because there is no known good fix between PnP overrule in SP3 and SP2 (and gold, for that matter.).

Or, XP-SP2 had native support for a version of via 37x and it did not clash with a HWID sub sys dropped in the DriverPack MassStorage release after sp3.

Or, XP-Sp1 (and gold..) natively supported generic via, no longer supported by their last ""generic via 4-in-1"".

Or, Via chose to totally change the mask and build of an old chip, and let it still report its old GUI/HWID combo and sub sys, thinking that there are no old computers with older hardware capable of running XP.
(I still support a client running a Piii EB600 and it is running a chip with 37x)

Rumours.
While we still support XP/2003/2000 we hope(d) to be able to keep the supported "non-native" OS support viable.

Rumours.
Hardware makers have to stick to standards, and one of those GUI IO recognition markers is firmly etched into the mask/and its other recognisable part of IO is flashed to the imbedded firmware talking to other parts of the PC BIOS.
The rumour is that this has to be unique to each device type.
Pink Floyd is rumours.
It is very unlike hardware.
Some of the driver writers were, I think, not looking at (or do not have any/will not abide to any) standards for their type of device.

OverFlow wrote:

re CHangelogs

I spent 6 hours updateing the changelogs and other php files yesterday...

then i said - I am not doing this again...
i am 95% done with a program that generates the PHP content form the folders and INF files in a pack!

currently it gets about 95% of the info correct ther are some dupes and some variable names taht show up instead of the values of the variables... But it is close to done... I am never going to spend an entire day updateing the overview pages on the site ever again...

Once the page is correct you will know i nailed down that last 5%  wink

Can you imagine?
What took many hours of unforgiving edit work in PHP files now gets done on the fly.
The only disadvantage I saw so far was that the list will reflect what is there, showing/or not showing brand name info.
In the past, we did not always use the brand info INF had for this or that. (Sometimes, it is not in the INF. Period. We got it from the dowwnload site.)
The Brand name (and reBranded names) info was often in old supported device list, and the supported hardware we once had had those as 'see this, see that' because we had that info. A automated scan cannot output what's not there.
I don't see this bit of cool 'dev' work as a way to "not totally inform" you, though.
I say, Thank Heavens for such a time saver.
OTOH, wth? It looked totally different.
(I personally think the details of what is supported is not looked at by majority of users, but the supported devices/brands list was useful and keeping it up to date used up (or ate) a lot of time.. )

Some Brand names (eg. rebranded devices.) may no longer see a google hit, tho.

I hear you.. there is no simple tut about DriverPack MassStorage, and what we have is sorta convoluted by the insert edits done to elucidate on errors one can all too easily make.

there is no public tut on sound (albeit there is a rough outline about how the pruning was done and how it gets done while doing an update.)

there is no tut on the exceptions (and that is likely to hurt us, because new DriverPacks will all have an INI, and some of those INI exceptions are not yet described the way ruudboek did for DriverPack MassStorage .)

should be fixed now.. dl DL

Hi Helmi, DL (aka D.L.) probably exists as a "purn filter" word in the BB admin section.

Hi,
welcome to DriverPacks.

the main page has a news page, and the latest release candidate for the stream util ( DriverPacks BASE ) has been wanting to do what you want.

UBCD4Win and Bart_PE plug in builder have been improved, but... DriverPack MassStorage betas have not (not yet ) been extensively proofed and found to be always good for PE type installs.
(had that happened, it had been a proven release at UBCD4win.)

DriverPack MassStorage as we have it on release was not bad, but it is kinda old now?
JakeLD (whom looks at PE/prep/UBCD4win/-single-machine-disc improvements.. and its conflicts.. ) has been updating DriverPack MassStorage in testing forum, and your hardware is unknown to us.
I suggest you hang on, and you give us some more detail about your hardware.

For what it is worth, I would keep the old.
Build a new PE style DVD (ubcd4win or PE with the latest DriverPack MassStorage build to update its plugin by DriverPacks).
There are recent testpacks for you to try, but I would first look at Jeff's tute (a link in his an my signature), and then cruise the forum for the improvements on DriverPack MassStorage.. The hardware you have could be easy as fudge, or part of an easy upgrade we missed, or a hard nut we are trying to crack.

We have over 150.000 unique HWIDS covered, and five nuts.

hmmmm


testing will benefit all when you tell us
1; what you did (all the steps)
2: what you expected
3: what result you had

x1;  how did you reproduce the isue?
X2; IF.. could you FIX? IF so, how did you fix the issue.

Hi eethball, welcome the flux.

I would like you to be part of what makes us get into a structured improvement move. We are in a flux.. we are NOT fluttering.

Your testing of what is "in flux" will benefit all when you tell us
1; what you did (all the steps)
2: what you expected
3: what result you had

examples:
When you report GOOD or bad, while testing against known DriverPacks issues in drivers, the generated logs help.

If you have a niggle with the GUI or orher DriverPacks Base function and NOT a HWID conflict.. Please, PLEASE tell us what you expected to see in the interface (DriverPacks GUI) or what you had expected to see when you changed option, or as result after you ran it with your options.

for logs, we should have a FAQ.
simple; (gui in CPL for folder options) unhide all system,  and unhide system known extentions.
OR (the dark DOS screen aka cmd console)
CD\
dir /s /e /h *.log
dir /s /e /h *.ini

edit....  (forget set=) forget MsDos.

OTOH, this is too long to be in a sig and not beyond basic. I just wonder why so many do not know how to post those relevant logs.
we gonna havta have a faq?
find logs and INI by cmd or path, as shown in signatures by the DriverPacks gurus

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above is now a statement to what confusion can be caused by non-re-read inline edits.

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A prepper (or a hardware wilderness in single-image wishful-thinking-head)  looking for speed gain by automated un-duping of ORIGINAL drivers needs a tool.

And you guys are developing it.

There are still enough people using XP roll-outs for us to have that effort work for DriverPacks as is now, and I already hear clamor for filtered vista and 2008. (what the heck.. One of the guys at the MsViP meet was pleased when he heard about DPinst and the possibility it worked on 98pack.. w/i, faik, still available on Third Party DriverPacks.)

Standardised (INF=> CSV) scanner (s) are our future.
How they work out the OS and version is important. VERY much so.
OS caused dupes help us write the INI.
QUITE a few scanners cannot, because the INF does not have the OS info properly SCANNABLE, output PROPER (true) dupefiltered output.

the spotlight did not attempt to remove dupes.

edit for RogueSpear. (and wsnow)
edited above (why real OS aware dupe eliminatition is a kettle of worms.) for warmsnow and roguespear.

The problem are the writers.
DriverPacks, so far, can reduce hands on work by a huge factor, and I think that was done by the fine people at DriverPacks.
Most of it was eyeballing outputs. (sometimes comparing output from one scanner against another output.. Or the TXT of the INF.. when you scan a file and have zero HWID output and you look at the INF and it had a gumption of unquantifiables?.)

I will ask the entire DriverPacks community to help us document known WHQL conflicts in same class drivers, and ask that they pay attention to /Hwid and 'GUI class' / conflicts.

not just pci/hwid.


you look at the INF and it had a gumption of unquantifiables?. wink

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I forgot... thanks for the new tool.

Whatever can be standardised for the better use at DriverPacks, will have a huge impact in our futer.

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Hi,

RogueSpear
It may be completely normal, but not a good thing nonetheless.  I don't know how many years ago this was, but it was before DP BASE, I discovered a bit of an issue with a RealTek audio device totally interfering with an Analog Devices SoundMAX.  I believe the solution in the end was to lop off the offending hwid from the RealTek.

What had me scratching my head was the duplication "short" hwids, but not "long" ones.

The "short" HWIDs are indeed the major cause of conflict. The shorter they are, the more generic, and there are quite a few WHQL signed drivers which have some "super generic" in them, interfering with proper install of a "slightly-older" with (originally) same generic in it.

Many moons ago we did a quite radical thing to Sound Packs. In Sound, we used the VBS from SpotlightUtility05, its output is CSV.
(that spotlight tool does not eliminate doubles).
CSV was imported into Excell and then manually filtered.
It was a huge task, but we made it possible to load sound A and B without the thousands of conflicts it once had.
(as an aside, had I been using Excell 2007 THEN, I/we would probably have a slightly different result, with a LOT less manhours put in. We used a hilite formula in excell 2000 back then..)

Anyway, the spotlight tool was not written by Microsoft, but was written by techheads at technet, and is apparently free for all.
I asked the DriverPacks community to improve on it more than once, because it came to my attention it has (a rare few) blind spots.

Why did I not keep using the automated dupe-eliminator we had posted in other scripts?
Well, there are (a few) drivers that have different lists..(when you look at the support in same driver for 2K, XP, 2003, vista, the tally or values found in listed HWIDS are not neccesarily same.)

Nobody said this was easy.
The better we can document conflicts, the better.
I think there is a possibility that people at WHQL labs will look at output from scanners like those..
I told people at Microsoft HQ Belgium about the problem caused by duplicate generics and what grief it causes people doing roll-outs, and was amazed that in the little group we had together there some people actually testified to the usefulness of DriverPacks.

JakeLD, I have to say that people in your trade (using sysprep or whatever they did to do roll-outs..) snapped to attention when I was asked to tell something about me and what I do  in IT...

Their ears got perked when I said I am not in IT, and then launched into how I walked myself into a world of online wonders.
I pleaded for MSFT dicision makers to look at WHQL shortly after I told them about how I liked to get people help each other.
Like, we help a guy about a BSOD. We learned, and had to repeat that solution over and over.
Years later, we still help a guy about BSOD on newer OS, do something about it and try do do something that works for keeps.
Still later, in a new OS which already has a million drivers native to it.. do something about the reason for BSOD.. and the analogy where we see a 8086 ID issue in things like nvidia broadcom, via, and silicone..
The persuasion gimic I used to get belgian CEO take notice was I said he had an issue selling windows and sloppy writers with nvidia or ATI  and broadcom are not.
And people with a BSOD on that generic 8086.. which is an intel HWID? Blame windows.
UP the ears went.

I mentioned angles and dangles because that is the first thing one does before one takes a real ride in a ssn.
(I like Clancy. A lot.)

We like you to take testrides with what our team puts up, and we learn a lot in the process.
Jeff and cdob (and some other, please forgive me for not having your name available to my brain for now.) have made a strong point about the version dance.
Chips, Lan, graphics and Mass sometimes share common origin when we get an update download, and I agree to the common sense of the finding.

Discord in version was apparently not such a big issue until we had to add those hard to add.

Jeff and Erik and RuudBoek taught us a great deal, and Jonathan was one of the people they groomed.
Angles and Dangles in SSN training could get you disoriented, and the problems faced by sysprep guru could get a DriverPacks dev way off board.

I am very pleased with the efforts and feedback.
I thought DriverPack MassStorage, DriverPack Graphics A and DriverPack Chipset will have to ride along to finally get into same version 'bug filter' trip before they get onto finals.
(what I mean.. DriverPack Graphics A is ready for final, but is that not going to get into jeopardy when DriverPack Chipset, DriverPack LAN  and DriverPack MassStorage (( in which NV have to apparently dance to same tune), (with a small possibility about some some iffiness in DP sound)..)) are updated?.

does this make sense?.

here is a note I would like to put out to all active bug hunters.

Do not just lurk.
Help us by showing what a difference a filtered DriverPacks made when you installed a machine, or rolled out to many.

In the discussion at Microsoft HQ Belgium I sorta dropped a stick in a henhouse, or.. I stuck out my neck.
I noticed there were several people there taking note and some knew quite wel what the WHQL problem was about. There were some there giving testimony to the usefulness of DriverPacks. NO kidding. I was awestruck when that happened (More of that was then discussed in after session 'dinner', and some seniors took more notes when that was going on.)
I knew DriverPacks was on the map for some peers worldwide, but I had no idea  there were such a high percentage aware of us in the EMEA MVP group. Our users made a buzz.

get buzzing about sysprep conflicts. Or whatever.. You are not only helping us help you, you will eventually make somebody write a notice to some slapsmuck so he gets his act together and cleans up his INF for us. (hopefully)

Hi,
@ cdob, in reply to post 4
A1 to Q1; I reckon so. There is a known problem with Nvidia, and yesterday I got into a discussion with Microsoft people about WHQL. (at long last, I got into contact with real people with real ears.)

The things I picked up tell me they are not at all pleased with Nvidia.
OK, we al ready knew that.
I think the communities may get some say, and I think we can help improve our say when we put proof of conflict in public, while using official WHQL releases from NV to prove where they are a mess.

This may mean we have to openly discuss what people do to get around known issues.
There was some unbelief in me, but right now there is a truism ringing in my ears.  I had almost left that discussion with a feeling of uncertainty, when something said by a senior finally hit. Our work is used by legit PRO, and the solutions we describe are in the net.
What that meant to me was that anything we publish which is  not bending nor breaking any rules could be, and if our solution is helping PROs, then we are probably also helping others.
Well, warez are helping themselves to anything they find in the net.

People at Microsoft are quite actively fighting warez.

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welcome to DriverPacks.
We think there is no perfect automated tool.
I bet that when we leave this sys file out there are some reg entries for PnP calls getting a null.
There are a good many INF where you would see very few HWIDS and calls, and the driver has a baker's dozen of INI.
The INF and the INI are looked at and I see an INI call another INI.

in one of those, I see that file mentioned.

the short take.
I see a sys.
I look up reference in txt
aha, in that ini and in there too.
I don't scrubbit.

I am a mecanic.
I am not mechanised nor automated.

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you must have, by now, answered this by doing it.
However, SAD is improving.
I bet you have not tried the latest RC from october.