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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>That is a big problem for us... <br />We don&#039;t have a secret lab with every known hardware device at our finger tips<br /> - We have been hoping someone would donate one but it hasn&#039;t happend yet. LOL<br />We rely on our highly dedicated testing team for that but even so it is only a few dozen guys with machines they can blow up when needed.<br />(maybe there is a hundred, but never all active at the same time) <br />Our most important team member is you, the one guy who can first expose a rare issue and then prove a fix.<br />That is what makes DriverPacks so solid, yesterday we were 99.8 percent success now we are approaching 99.9%&nbsp; <br />It&#039;s guys like you who make DriverPacks better, and earns you the hard sought &quot;DriverPacks team member of the day&quot; award.<br />It may be Nsane but it make sense too <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 02:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37384#p37384</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>OverFlow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>if you have time check to see if there is a newer driver for that device... If so we can update the pack and see if that fixes it!<br />be sure to test it and make sure it works or no sense in adding it to the pack <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p></blockquote></div><p>its 2 different hardware devices though. Sigmatel and Realtek HD Audio. I wonder if anyone else is able to test/replicate <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/hmm.png" width="15" height="15" alt="hmm" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37369#p37369</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>We will probably have to wait for an updated driver... <br />My best guess it that there is a bug in the sound driver that only appears with dpinst.exe and not with setup.exe. </p><p>Bigfoot made a suggestion in post 12... <br />you could use Vernalex Sysprep Driver scanner to add it to the sysprep OemPnPDriversPath and see if that works</p><p>if you have time check to see if there is a newer driver for that device... If so we can update the pack and see if that fixes it!<br />be sure to test it and make sure it works or no sense in adding it to the pack <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37367#p37367</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>going back to my original problem (namely having to remove and readd the sound driver)</p><p>Is this likely to be a problem with SAD or the driver pack itself? I have a work around, but I&#039;d prefer that i didn&#039;t have to (because scripting a reboot after the &quot;automagic&quot; driver install after a devcon rescan is a pita).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37347#p37347</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>if i can figure out how to get the key to point to a file then teh limit becomes available RAM... that cures all our problems... i just need the documentation to implement it... still searching (in vain?)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37346#p37346</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=361">http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0 … asp?ID=361</a><br />16k limit for 95/98/me<br />64k limit for 2k and above</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37315#p37315</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hmm... Long values (more than 2,048 bytes) must be stored as files with the file names stored in the registry. </p><p>Can&#039;t find any documentation on this... but it just may be the solution I have been searching for... the 16k limit would fit with the issues reported and explain a lot of the problems we have been having with too many tpdps being added... We suspected we had hit some sort of limit but most documentation led us/me to belive the cap was higher than 16k. Any clues as to how to implement pointing to a file and what the format of the file would be? (A binary format I must assume, but that is not specific enough to generate one, nor specificaly how to indicate it in the registry. <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />) Typical MS merry go round it documented somwhere but good luck finding it (i thought bing was supposed to be the cure for that <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />) I&#039;ve tried every keyword search i can think of... with three different search engines and the built in MS search. <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /> I jsut need to figure out what the correct question is LOL</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37314#p37314</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>You might try using Vernalex Sysprep Driver scanner. Its much easier to use than trying to populate the OemPnPDriversPath by hand.<br /><a href="http://www.vernalex.com/tools/spdrvscn/index.shtml">http://www.vernalex.com/tools/spdrvscn/index.shtml</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37300#p37300</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>only use the nightly mass with the nightly BASE <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> otherwise your source WILL be hosed</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37289#p37289</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Im going to try nightlies of the affected drivers (as well as DP_Base) as i have other wierd issues on my 2 test platforms;</p><p>1. Dell D630 Intel 965 Express driver installs, but leaves a second entry under display adapters - &quot;Update Driver automagically&quot; fixes this.<br />2. Acer TM6493 laptop has an &quot;!&quot; on its Built-in IR Port.</p><p>It also might sort my sound problems out (fingers crossed), I also have a problem with Intel Mass Storage not working right (BSOD on boot in AHCI mode) - trying DriverPack MS Nightly.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37287#p37287</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have seen issues with DPInst.exe where it does not behave the same as setup.exe IDK why... <br />Perhaps a new version of DPInst will be released in the future.</p><p>You can still use a script with devcon to remove and reinstall a particular device <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />.</p><p>the answer to why it failed is / will be contained in setupapi.log... I haven&#039;t had a chance to review the one you submitted yet.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (OverFlow)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37286#p37286</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>OverFlow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>alternately you could try running SAD twice... IE sometimes certain drivers will depend on others, hda depends on hdabus (hdabus=KB888111), hdabus depends on pcibus, no hdabus then no hda this would require two / three passes <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> Test: run SAD reboot run SAD agian... does it work now?</p></blockquote></div><p>Twice = no go. (specifically run SAD, reboot, run SAD again).</p><p>Will try adding chipset to OEMPNPDriversPath, then reimaging.</p><p>Uninstall, Scan and then Windows &quot;automagics&quot; it works fine however (no online connectivity, i&#039;d assume its pulling it from the driver cache after SAD puts it there), no reboot required.</p><p><a href="http://users.on.net/~randomtask/DPsFnshr-tm6493-2.log">http://users.on.net/~randomtask/DPsFnshr-tm6493-2.log</a><br /><a href="http://users.on.net/~randomtask/DPINST-tm6493-2.LOG">http://users.on.net/~randomtask/DPINST-tm6493-2.LOG</a><br /><a href="http://users.on.net/~randomtask/setupapi-tm6493-2.log">http://users.on.net/~randomtask/setupapi-tm6493-2.log</a></p><p>*edit*</p><p>Same again with OEMPNPDrivers for Chipset.</p><p>The driver works - I just think its installing wrong or something.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37285#p37285</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>OverFlow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My impression was the limit of a DevicePath reg entry was the limit of any single reg entry one megabyte?<br />We have been having an issue with no drivers being installed when too many 3rd party DriverPack were used... <br />Can you show me where you found it documented that the devpath limit was 64k? that would really help us!</p></blockquote></div><p>Source was here - <a href="http://blog.remyservices.net/2007/09/28/sysprep-in-depth-part-1-adding-drivers-to-our-image-pc/">http://blog.remyservices.net/2007/09/28 … -image-pc/</a></p><p>further reading tells me that its not quite that long...</p><p><a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256986">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256986</a><br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The following table lists the data types that are currently defined and that are used by Windows. The maximum size of a value name is as follows:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, and Windows Vista: 16,383 characters<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * Windows 2000: 260 ANSI characters or 16,383 Unicode characters<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * Windows Millennium Edition/Windows 98/Windows 95: 255 characters</p><p>Long values (more than 2,048 bytes) must be stored as files with the file names stored in the registry. This helps the registry perform efficiently. The maximum size of a value is as follows:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Windows NT 4.0/Windows 2000/Windows XP/Windows Server 2003/Windows Vista: Available memory<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * Windows Millennium Edition/Windows 98/Windows 95: 16,300 bytes</p><p>Note There is a 64K limit for the total size of all values of a key.</p></blockquote></div><p>Either way its more than 4096/2048. - my programmer friend tells me its 16k, unlimited if you point to a file somewhere (although i am unsure if you can do that for this particular key).</p><p>I also found these tools helpful - <a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/magazine/2006.05.utilityspotlight.aspx">http://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/maga … light.aspx</a> - specifically PNPPath.vbs (which can apply both the registry and an .inf file).</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>OverFlow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Galapo has a link to his main forum from here at DriverPacks in this (universal imaging) forum... His main support is done over at 911 <a href="http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=22064">http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=22064</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks, will look into this</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: S.A.D sound driver problems]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37284#p37284</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Galapo has a link to his main forum from here at DriverPacks in this (universal imaging) forum... His main support is done over at 911 <a href="http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=22064">http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=22064</a><br />(it is stickied right above your post LOL)</p><p>My impression was the limit of a DevicePath reg entry was the limit of any single reg entry one megabyte?<br />We have been having an issue with no drivers being installed when too many 3rd party DriverPack were used... <br />Can you show me where you found it documented that the devpath limit was 64k? that would really help us!</p><p>Thanks for the feedback, looking forward to more</p><p>Jeff</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://forum.driverpacks.net/viewtopic.php?pid=37283#p37283</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>OverFlow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OEMPNPDriversPath has a limit of 4096 in normal windows installation, and half that in SysPrep. If you exceed a path length of 2048 in sysprep then either nothing is installed or only the first 2048, usually nothing <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />. </p><p>I suggest you include chipset in&nbsp; OEMPNPDriversPath, that may cure your issue.</p></blockquote></div><p>What about using the reg entry? HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\DevicePath</p><p>My understanding was you were allowed 64,000 there? (I tried both)</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>OverFlow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Also I highly recomend you take a long hard look at OLSP (Off Line SysPrep by Galapo).</p></blockquote></div><p>I looked at that, I couldn&#039;t really find much in the way of a tutorial (or even a base idea). Is the idea you build an image to be sysprepped, then shutdown, boot BartPE with OLSP and do it that way?&nbsp; Any further info on a good starting point with OLSP would be nice.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>OverFlow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>alternately you could try running SAD twice... IE sometimes certain drivers will depend on others, hda depends on hdabus (hdabus=KB888111), hdabus depends on pcibus, no hdabus then no hda this would require two / three passes <img src="http://forum.driverpacks.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> Test: run SAD reboot run SAD agian... does it work now?</p></blockquote></div><p>Will test this before doing below.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>OverFlow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Let me know if the issue still persists after you add chipset to your base install.</p></blockquote></div><p>Will try doing this next run (S.A.D is missing a few things from our images, trying to add them via OEMPNPDriversPath - if that works, then I&#039;ll try add chipset). </p><p>Thanks for the help.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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